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Is Lust Good?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Son_of_Iroquois, Sep 2, 2016.

  1. Son_of_Iroquois

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    I want to discuss whether or not you think lust is good. By lust, I mean that feeling a man or woman gets when then see someone they are physically attracted to. It is a feeling that for men, makes us want to approach, and for women, makes them want to be approached.

    Many Western religions such as Christianity teach that lust is inherently bad, while pagan religions teach that it is just a form of energy and not bad in and of itself.

    My opinion is that in its basic form, lust is simply a productive force. However, there has to be a higher purpose for that desire to transition into if it is to be ultimately a good force. For example, porn uses lust to harvest money and profit from the customer, but there is no higher creative redemptive outcome to porn, except for the company in terms of material gain, which is actually not redemptive at all.

    But if a man feels lust for a woman's body, and that drives him to approach and meet her, and they then have a relationship and start a family, and live long and happy lives, then that expression of lust has been redeemed in a productive and creative way and is therefore "good".

    In my own life many of my personal breakthroughs came as a result of feeling lust. I lost my virginity after feeling lust and following through on it. I had lust to gain a better job and move to a new part of the country, away from the crappy town where I grew up. Lust makes me go to the gym and get stronger and eat right. It makes me want to go out and do things.

    Perhaps if we started accepting lust as natural and the starting point of higher possibilities,

    So what do you think, is lust good or bad?
     
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  2. NoMoreOnanism

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  3. Nakatomi

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    St. Thomas Aquinas is amazing. I would also say lust isn't a healthy attraction but an inordinate attraction. Like gluttony is an inordinate use of food. Attraction is good but only when it considers the entire person. People are more than just body parts and no one should be used simply for your gratification. When we use or view people in this way we are lusting after them and degrading them as human beings.
     
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  4. Ikindaknew

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    Lust is good as long as everything falls into place and you are satisfied. The problem is that you can use it as a motivator, but once you are with that BF or wive and she doesnt feel like it but LUST rears its ugly head, well what do you do?

    Its an energy yes, but hard to control. You know that continuous lust, coupled by the coolidge effect (habituation) makes porn users to seek newer forms of porn stimuli...it happens in the couple too if you are not vigilant and you end up having sex very often...you become habituated to your significant other...then some start looking at other outlets to "feed the beast".

    I just think that sex drive and lust are healthy to a certain extent, as long as it doesn't become detrimental to what you are trying to achieve.
     
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  5. I think some of the issues here are semantics...

    I can only speak for Christianity, not any other religion, but when the Bible refers to "lust" being sinful, it's not referring to sexual desire in an appropriate and healthy way. It's referring to overwhelming lust, like only looking at women as body parts or thinking about sex 24/7 or imagining having sex with some girl you don't know just because she's hot. So just to be clesr, Christianity does not teach that sexual desire is a bad thing. That's something that God gave us to enjoy in the appropriate way.

    Anyway, I don't really have anything else to add. I just wanted to clear up that misconception.
     
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  6. Ted Martin

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    Much like @StepsReborn pointed out that it may be a matter of semantics. I think for myself, what you are calling lust, I would tend to call or view as "sexual attraction." Attraction to someone on a sexual level is healthy, normal and in my mind not innately a problem from my Christian worldview point. For me, when I think of lust, I think of something beyond just a sexual and physical attraction and something that has negative connotations. For me lust is when you can't stop thinking about them, become consumed by them and become blinded to their faults as a result of the lust. They become perfect in your mind, can do no wrong, have no annoying habits, etc. It feels uncontrolled or becomes illicit in my cravings or desires. It goes beyond what is healthy and normal attraction that would lead someone to reach out and connect with that person.

    Again, it might just be a matter of how you define the terms though. What you are describing doesn't sound bad to me, but I wouldn't call that lust either, I would label it sexual attraction. Interesting question though.
     
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  7. Dendrite

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    I've liked it, but I also want to post to recommend it - Thomas Aquinas had some incredible insights, well ahead of his time. Even if you don't agree with him, and even if you're not a Christian (I'm not!), his work is worth reading. It will make you rethink things that you've taken for granted.

    Sadly, the religious world, which used to turn out first-rate thinkers by the bucketful, is now turning out little more than yellers, whiners, and postmodernists. You've literally got to go back hundreds of years to get to the good stuff. And boy, is it good!
     
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  8. Son_of_Iroquois

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    OK I see what you mean. I was using the term "lust" to describe the basic sexual drive in its raw form.
     
  9. NoMoreOnanism

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    In that link Aquinas says that sex and sexual attraction between married people cannot be lust, even if it is inordinate. Stange, cause that seems counter intuitive, but whilst I actually had trouble with accepting that at first, i think it has to do with categorisation. He says inordinate treatment of a spouse is immoral but for other reasons. I don't fully understand and need to read more I think, but I feel like understanding this is important to unlocking all this. Lots of reading to do.
     
  10. Star Lord

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    Lust is one of the 7 deadly sins
     
  11. NoMoreOnanism

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    Outer circle of Dante's hell
     
  12. Panja

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    Lust or any strong attachment to anything sensual and material is a mental disease. Not a sin though.
     
  13. Son_of_Iroquois

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    Interesting discussion folks. Thanks for the insight on the Christian perspectives and also the links to St. Thomas Aquinas. Semantics aside, I think we can all agree that sexual attraction is natural and healthy, but a preoccupation or obsession with it is where things become problematic.
     
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