Is MO as bad as PMO?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Hold the Line, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. Hold the Line

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    is MO (non porn pictures) to pictures as bad as MO to porn?
     
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  2. MO can bring you easly back on PMO, i think you should try MO only after many time but i think it could reactivate the P mechanism easly even if you do 500 days of NoFap. And if you do it with immages does not really change.
     
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  3. Hold the Line

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    so what you're saying is never masturbate ever again and only allow yourself to do it in real sex...
    what if i don't have a relationship?
    i find it ineffective to hold myself for too long periods of time, it makes me more stressed, anxious, doesn't do any good...
    i had a 104 day streak and i felt awful for the most of it, no better mood, no higher energy, no mental benefits (still stressed, anxious, low focus ablity).
     
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  4. fisherman9009

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    For me I quit masturbation totally because I found I got used to the sensation of my hand and then when I was with a woman it was hard to enjoy it Bc I was so used to the sensation of my hand. So for me.. I give up masturbation when I give up porn
     
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  5. Hold the Line

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    i was never in a relationship... never kissed a girl...
    needless to say i'm a virgin, 23 years old.
    Not comparing myself to others but still, at this age you can't just supress all of your sexuality, it feels like i'm killing myself.
    And the worst part is no matter what i do i can't seem to attract woman or get into a relationship...
    Imagine all that time just wanting it... not being able to get it, no matter how hard i try.
     
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  6. Hold the Line

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    that's the thing, i don't feel better...
    it sounds over the top but that's what i feel, i'm 23 years old and since about age 12 i've been fighting anxiety and heavy depression...
    never seemed to get healthy since, i am somewhat better than i used to be, somwhat less anxious, but i can't seem to feel full, happy, calm.
    i have bad stress issues.
    i've masturbated since age 11-12 i think, but even at my peak periods where i would consume the most porn, it's nothing like some people are saying here, 5-6 hours binge and fapping 6 times a day, i would fap 2 times a day tops, and it would happen when im at home, it would not bother my daily routine and cripple my plans... i would do it mainly at night, and never felt i have sunk too much and overuse it like an overdose.
    i am fully aware porn consumption is bad period, but even since ive started nofap 1.5 years ago i can't feel my stress getting better, my negativity going away, my motivation for life going up.
    needless to say how frustrating and saddening this is, so much that i need to unload at a forum to strangers...
    i really want to be happy, i know i deserve it and that i can achieve it, i just dont know how and being in this state for so so long make your mind kind of doubt about if and how can you make this change...
    it's very tough.
     
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  7. fisherman9009

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    why not try taking a girl out on a date? don't make it so much about the sex. try to meet a girl and make a bond with her
     
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    i cant seem to succeed in that... i've asked multiple girls out and got refused repeatingly.
    i kept trying more and more and at a some point nearly half a year ago i lost confidence and stopped approaching girls.
    i got depressed and frustrated, am i that unloveable?
    i'm 23 years old and i can't seem to get a girl to like me (i don't try too much, but i give an effort).
    recently i found out, a girl who is somehow of a ''friend'', she sometimes shows to hangouts with my friends, i thought we had a thing going, it lasted about 2 months untill i found out she is now dating one of my best friends... cliche as it is but it hurt me, at this moment i felt that all my trust issues (and i have some serious trust issues) are justified, because i feel that no matter how nice or kind, thoughtful i could be sometimes, even if i get a thanks i feel really underappreciated by, well, everyone.
     
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  10. Psalm27:1my light

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    If you are masturbating and fantasizing you are still feeding your addiction. You can’t suppress your sex drive but you can live with urges and redirect them. You will not die if you don’t orgasm. You are still focused on getting sex/sexual pleasure.
     
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    I've had a 104 day streak, i tried everything in the book, meditation, self positive talk, i keep myself as busy as i can, but i still don't feel a change.
    I've grown desperate, feeling so shitty at my age and honestly the majority of my teen years which should have been the best years of my life, filled with great, memorable experiences.
    Instead turned out to be a massive depression-lead shitshow.
    I've had a poor childhood, and grown to be a very negative person, i feel lonely all the time, although i have friends.
    I don't think a 200 or 300 day streak would have gone with a different result.
    I have ran out of ideas of how to turn my life around, i want to be happy, truely.
    I want to be fulfilled with joy and passion, i have gone this far in my life without any good periods that i recall and would like to go back to, do you know how shitty it feels? no matter how much i try to meditate, or force myself to workout, it seems nothing works out, and saying i'm sick of it is a statement overdue perhaps for 5 years earlier... I'm desperate, i don't know what shit i can pull off anymore.
     
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  12. Psalm27:1my light

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    Are you depressed? Perhaps you need anti depressants? Some people need it, others counseling ( I’m assuming you can’t afford counseling though) otherwise that’s what I’d suggest
     
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    i've been in therapy and pill for 10 years... quit about a year ago
    no one ''needs'' antidepressants.
    it's pretty much a hoax and self work is soley what's needed, pills just drain your will of life even more, and make you tired and bloated.
     
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    I guess we will have to disagree. There is a stark difference in my husband taking them and not. Same with my daughter, but thank god my son didn’t inherit it. Therapy definitely helped my husband but he still cannot stop his meds. Good luck, hope you can find help. I only know what worked for my husband.
     
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  15. I just said that our brain is fucked up and i think we should need a lot of time before even try to masturbate (without porn or pic, just immagination) again. I agree that after long streak it start to get hard, but i think the thing is subjective, many people did it. And people that show how they are good in NoFap and have more than 500+ day sometime they just hidden the mislead of masturbate and have sex frequently, so maybe they are lucky to have a gf but then they are just changing their porn addiction with a sex or masturbation addiction, and you will see some of them return on old habits. I think firstly that recovery should be a complete retention, and what you say after 100 days and that always trick also me is not a real excuse, because i always think to the men of the past, like Jesus, Thoreau, Newton, Tesla, Kant and many other we will never know, they passed their entire life as virgin and never had the necessity of fucked up their brain with porn. But i agree for many people in our modern ugly plutocratic soulless society epecially for us of the young generation is hard to deal with it and P is like a relief valve, but i am sure there is also other relief valves, i mean there is a lot of things that make us happy and is not just dopamine centered like porn, like books, God, philosophy, learn languages, fit, ecc.. I mean sometime i just rather to be like a saint and never fap instead of go in a relationship sex based or thinking myself on 50 years of computer porn addiction that will not last. Every session of PMO is like 3-4 hours, how many time i wasted, how many pages of books i could have read instead? But this is what i think, not what you think, so just fin d the truth by yourself..
     
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  16. Short answer, yes its just as bad.
     
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  17. What do you enjoy in life? You're probably talented at a lot of things. Pursue them! Nothing to lose.
     
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  18. JayDawgg

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    It's not as bad but still not ideal. Don't want to justify the behavior but also don't want to make a mountain out of an anthill.
     
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  19. Coub

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    Maybe I'm not as experienced as other participants in this discussion but in my opinion MO is a tool that you can use in emergency if sexual tension doesn't let you live. It depends what is your goal and if you want to fix your problems sooner. My therapist said(I know they're not perfect sometimes...) that in my case(around 15 years of PMO?), MO is something that she agreed to do for me in order to prevent me from coming back to P and reveal inner sexual tension. All in all everyone should work on their own approach. I don't want to justify anything if you decided to do X.
     
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  20. The NoFap Solideo blog might be interesting to you.

    I think if you MO several times a week, that's bad. If you MO say, once a week, then keep trying to MO less and less often, that might be okay. The only problem is the chaser effect, it may be easier to just do hardmode. You may have felt bad doing hardmode simply from P withdrawals and your body getting used to not having Os. But I think there is tremendous value in doing hardmode.

    And obviously P is like crack cocaine, never look at P.
     

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