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Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by qwaiz, May 20, 2019.
I play poker daily for real money is it bad like porn for my dopamine?
I also play poker almost every day, but I decided to stay away from playing for real money. You have raised an interesting question, I have asked this myself too. Overall I think browsing porn sites and gambling has lots of similarities. I think everytime we win we get a dopamine boost. When playing I experience very strong mood swings, from feeling depressed when I lose to excitement when I win. I noticed that playing poker helps a lot with anhedonia.
I feel like it's the same as when people say you should cut back on video games in your reboot. It's not a natural dopamine boost. It can become a replacement for the dopamine boost you used to get from PMO. And the next thing you know is that you are addicted to something else.
It could also be that your brain developed a way to deal with the mood swings you get from poker by doing PMO. So if you do get urges from playing poker it's best to quit it in my opinion.
Why not quit your life? I mean anything can get you addicted or killed. Or you might just fall sick. Or die of an accident. I mean come on.. Porn is a serious problem, don't devalue it by drawing parallels to games. You can never fuck your reward system up as hard with games as you do with porn. Not even remotely. Do you want to compare winning a hand to a fucking orgasm? Please..
Except they actually have inpatient treatment centers where some people are in for gaming, reStart to name one. A thousand such centers in China, with Korea being another country where it's a serious issue. There are people who will wear diapers so as to cut down on off time from games since they wouldn't have to go to the bathroom. Granted for some it isn't as much of a trigger as others but this needs to be qualified in terms of the people and context. I don't have a problem with alcohol, others severely so. There's an entire 12 Step group of Gamblers Anonymous. It may not be us but that's a question of who is susceptible rather than the issue "being a thing." (object identification rather than context qualification)
The OP also didn't mention whether this is a simple game of cards with friends, face to face or video poker at Vegas - this also makes a difference since the machines are designed to be addictive. There are people who will lose their paycheck in a couple of days just playing slot machines, and scholar athletes who lose their ticket playing WoW or a similar immersive MMO and become "that guy" who has a crappy apartment and start failing their classes in uni and then relapse again when returning to their old environment. I think the standard demarcation of addiction as being separate is a short sighted view and the definition of addiction given by Stanton Peele is more comprehensive, especially when it comes to behavioral stuff. BTW identifying it with context rather than particular behaviors also jives with the principle of interdependence which is of course a key principle of Buddhism.
Well said man.
its bad for your wallot not your brain
I didn't say that there aren't other addictions or that games can't be addictive. I said compared to a porn addiction the others are a joke, which doesn't mean the others don't also have the potential to destroy lives. But the human sex drive is by far the strongest of all needs, and far surpasses our need for entertainment and novelty (which is what games cater towards) and our reward system is set up in relation to that. That's why I'm saying you can't compare winning a hand with an orgasm.
I understand your point, I am simply not framing it in terms of strength of need. I cited the quote because the more comprehensive view of addiction is to take into consideration the context or 'ecology' as Peele puts it. Sex is certainly strong in terms of drives and motivation, but the simple fact of the matter is some people have an addiction with it and some do not. That is not a phenomenon that can be explained in terms of the strength, but a contextual consideration of an individuals situation can explain it - but that's simply not going to lend itself to generalization.
Practically speaking of course many people are cross addicted, so I'm more interested in the relationship between addictive patterns than particular ones and comparing apples and oranges. I don't believe in the folk wisdom of people in various issue specific recovery fellowships of focusing on where the pain is the greatest. It's important to get out of acute pain but the way it is structured according to different addictions and the way people work it ends up being as fragmented as the whack a mole phenomenon.
I would rather be addicted to poker than to PMO...
Everything in excess is bad.
Drinking sometime is good even healthy, but getting drunk 24/7 will kill you.
With Poker is similar, but this is my theory…
Be conscious always, and never bet without rationally thinking; you could end up homeless. Be smart.
I play, because I like the game itself, and winning fake money spikes your dopamine like so high. The important thing is to moderate and just play smart, cause if you do, you can make a fortune.