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Is this normal?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Exit To Freedom, May 26, 2018.

  1. Exit To Freedom

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    I do find myself back here again. My problem is lately only once a week but still creates havoc and most of all emotional pain. The damn urge is so strong and like a lot of us, I have given in so easily every time. For anywhere from 10 minutes to a half hour of "pleasure" I am in hate with the world and myself for days. The repetitive thought "I fucked up" is a reminder of how bad I feel and for me it is very bad anger.

    My question though since I want to change is - the last 3 nights I have woken up each night from an intense dream feeling the urge inside, and just about humping without touching myself, and feeling the upwelling inside. It must be totally subconscious as it comes from deep sleep with dreams but wakes me up. If I kept up with the feeling I am almost sure I would ejaculate without touching myself at all, but I've stopped the feeling immediately.

    In last nights dream I was masturbating surrounded by big boulders outside, but over the top of the boulders I could see a crowd of people on the outside. I have quite a few dreams like this where I am masturbating in front of and hiding from people at the same time.

    Also in the same dream I am climbing a steep hill made from mud, which shows I am helpless to get anywhere. The subconscious is a powerful thing and a reminder of what we feel helpless against. By the way, I have just reset my badge to reflect the actual days.
     
  2. ShotDunyun

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    The "once a week" habit Is destined to failure. It wont just work, Maybe you can control it for monts ir a year, but in the end we will always fall again. My advice is to not even consider it anymore.

    I'm not a shrink, but it sounds to me like you are feeling a lot of shame, and your brain is giving you a hint that this is not mentally healthy for you
     
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  3. PMO addict

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    Hey @Fishn1 . Dreams are very interesting. I keep a detailed record of my dreams and have 1-3 scenes of sexual content in my dreams each night. It is usually somewhat surreal. For example, I had a dream where I was auto-fellating. I think its important to just make note of the dreams without judging or condemning yourself. It is just some sort of subconscious processing.

    Also last night I woke up laying on my back, and with my hand gripping my male anatomy. As soon as I woke up and realized it, I stopped. But apparently I had "sleep-fapped". It did not go to ejaculation or feel like edging but it was very surprising. I've woken up fapping on other occasions too and of course stopped once I was conscious. I won't say I'm "normal" though but at least you're not the only one. This stuff is probably more common than you think, only no-one talks about it.
     
  4. Exit To Freedom

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    Yes I am feeling a lot of shame and don't feel helpless until the urge strikes - I haven't been able to get beyond it, even if once a week it still feels no good, and I know it's not mentally healthy because my anger level is very high and self destructive for several days and even after that point I feel a lack of self esteem because I couldn't control it - it's been a vicious cycle.
     
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  5. Exit To Freedom

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    I know, it would probably be taboo to talk about it except for this site. It's normal even when you are more recovered I think, it still comes up but you can control it. I give myself credit at least for not continuing with that feeling. I wanted to but somehow I stopped.
     
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  6. It sounds like you're hiding your perverted mind.
     
  7. PMO addict

    PMO addict Fapstronaut

    Well in dreams there is no judgment. So you have to be careful not to judge your dreams harshly. In waking life there is more judgment but dreams are just dreams. Everything is totally neutral that happens there. So it doesn't make you a "pervert" or anything. However if you go on nofap and get some "clean" days there might be some repressed energy reflected in your dreams. You don't have to act on the repressed energy but the best thing would probably just be to accept it and let it figure stuff out in dreams, without judging it.
     
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  8. Exit To Freedom

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    It could be but can't say for sure as dreams are so subjective - I don't always understand them at all but I try to keep an open mind.
     
  9. Exit To Freedom

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    That's a good point and I don't judge myself from them or even use them as some kind of guiding post, just try to accept them as part of the unconscious mind releasing stress. I think it's going to be natural that any addictive behavior that has gotten a hold on your life will get interpreted in a strange way in dreams. As I mentioned I'm glad I didn't act out on my dream inspired stimulation, my biggest obstacle will be the next time I get the big urge that I seem to give in to. I know the suffering after is a good deterrent but at the time I've given in to the behavior sometimes casually without so much as a second thought. It's almost a physical aching of desire I'll have to get through. I know this is "on the fence" thinking that doesn't show enough resolve, somehow I'll have to change that. Coming here daily will help.
     
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  10. PMO addict

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    Yep coming here daily will definitely help. After about 2 weeks I had to start facing my fear of confrontation. I had alot of anger I was subconsciously holding back. Depression is buried anger, so my addiction was trying to mask my depression, which was trying to mask my anger. But when you stay clean past your usual sticking point maybe something different will occur. Either way theres probably something thats gonna come up that will be uncomfortable or turbulent or challenging, either from outside you or from within you. Coming here every day will eventually strengthen your resolve to stay clean (it did for me at least) and then youll be willing to face those challenges day by day with the "exits sealed" and you will start growing alot more. You're already growing just at the right pace, this is more of a heads up of what is bound to happen, not anything you need to force or make it happen. You're right where you're supposed to be.
     
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  11. Exit To Freedom

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    Thank you it all makes sense the way you put it :)
     
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    Well I made it 12 days without, gave in today - not proud of it, I think I could go another 12 days. Things were improving, less anger and self destructive inner dialogue, and the best thing my wife and I got closer. Just came to the threshold of "no return" (those words are an excuse aren't they?) My dreams were still filled with masturbation themes and more times waking up with the urge very strong, but I kept it in check. It's not comical, but I came home from work this afternoon and the washing machine was on and overloaded and afraid it might come off the belts, at first I put my hands down on it and then I pushed myself against it and it felt good. I stopped, went to the gym and it wasn't a good workout. I could already feel some shame and something inside building. Came home and gave in to the porn. Boy did it feel good - but now I think I can get back on track. Just not sure if I can go the distance. I think a lot of us are in that situation but I can only speak for myself.
     
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  13. PMO addict

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    Hey Fishn1. Thanks for sharing. About the dreams, does this thread help you?

    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...g-wet-dreams-and-start-analyzing-them.175069/

    It is kind of how I think about it.

    About the relapse, it is OK to make mistakes while learning. And everyone's always learning so its always OK to make mistakes. I have made lots of mistakes in the last 6 wks or so but none have been PMO slips this time. I only got this far from learning from all the mistakes I made in the last 1.5 yrs of failing streak after streak. So I would say just take it one day at a time and keep reading the forums and a variety of topics and journals because it will help you "cover all the bases" and keep making it further along.
     
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    Yes I was quite convinced I could go further this time and was feeling the benefits, and especially with my wife, I thought about all we had been through, how our relationship developed and it gave me a deeper acceptance and respect for her. Unfortunately, when I've relapsed more regularly I'm very critical of her, myself and everyone else as well. I give myself credit for those 12 days and I'm sure I can get back on track again. I realize this is a learning process, damn it felt so good to look and do it, but the difference is, I know I can get at least this far again, the benefits are too good and more frequency equals a string of bad days. Thanks for the link I'll check it out.
     
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  16. Exit To Freedom

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    Back in crap city again, the side effects are always delayed and build over a few days after giving in. Impatient, angry critical and irritable - intolerant of people and life. Always the same. Was pretty good all week until... Just changed my badge starting from Friday.
     
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  17. goodnice

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    very interesting dream lol
     

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