Islaam the solution to mankind

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  1. Vision

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    I don't this (so far) that the thread needs to stop but I understand Monster Carrot's feelings. This forum is focused on mutual help in fighting pornographic addiction. Our Muslim friend ahmedeasy does not seem to be asking for help with his addiction but instead tries to preach here. I am a friend of respectful dawaah (and reciprocally of evangelizing or whatever other respectful missionary and apologetic activity) but context and purpose of this forum should be respected.
     
  2. Immor

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    Actually, many guys on nofap try to avoid seeing any females. Islam would help with that. Not that I think it is a good idea..
    But, most people here, struggling with PMO, do not live in islamic countries. So blaming all of the problem on it is hardly justified.
    Finally, if you don't like it there, why don't you move? It is their tradition and part of the country like the food they eat there.

    Edit: The post I replied to got deleted.
     
  3. when someone kills thousands we call them a murderer. go check the hadiths and qu'ran it's all in there. Claiming it's not is also part of Islam called taqiyya. Stop bullshitting everyone, Muhammad was a warlord and you know it.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/history.htm this tells the life of ole Mohammad and it isn't pretty.

    Just look at what is happening in Germany at the moment with pegida.

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm plainly
    states the verses of violence and why islam is a religion of war and not peace, how are you going to argue what is plainly laid out? even translations such as verse 9:29 on islamic sites come out as fight the non believers.

    from this link:

    "Other than the fact that Muslims haven't killed every non-Muslim under their domain, there is very little else that they can point to as proof that theirs is a peaceful, tolerant religion. Where Islam is dominant (as in the Middle East and Pakistan) religious minorities suffer brutal persecution with little resistance. Where Islam is in the minority (as in Thailand, the Philippines and Europe) there is the threat of violence if Muslim demands are not met. Either situation seems to provide a justification for religious terrorism, which is persistent and endemic to Islamic fundamentalism.



    The reasons are obvious and begin with the Quran. Few verses of Islam's most sacred text can be construed to fit the contemporary virtues of religious tolerance and universal brotherhood. Those that do are earlier "Meccan" verses which are obviously abrogated by later ones. The example of Muhammad is that Islam is a religion of peace when Muslims do not have the power and numbers on their side. Once they do, then things change.



    Many Muslims are peaceful and do not want to believe what the Quran plainly says. They reach subjectively for textual context across different suras to try and mitigate the harsher passages. Even though the Quran itself claims to be clear and complete, Muslim apologists speak of the "risks" of trying to interpret the verses without their "assistance." Like many religious people, they want the text to fit their pre-established moral framework."
     
  4. Finalfight123

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    Okay this is to funny. Islam the religion that wants this world to end whose stolen stories and lets be real you can you are peacful but radical islam has destroyed your religion forever im afraid islam will never recover from all the things the radicals have done. In the face of the public eye its honestly a losing battle if someone didn't start with it most will not convert. Now thats not to say any other religion is better because I honestly think its childlike to believe in any religion but thats just me.

    Now there are good religious people but don't be blindsided by the fact that many people have done cruel things in the name of your religion. But you wouldn't be part of your religion if you knew that.
     
  5. FutureGuitarGod

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    Just because many Muslims are peaceful does not negate the fact that a sizable portion are terrorists. The same goes with Christianity: most Christians are decent people, but that does not excuse the portion that bomb gay nightclubs and abortion clinics, now does it? It's all a game of semantics. For every example of a good deed, there's a bad deed that's swept under the rug. If it isn't swept under the rug, then it's flat out denied. Even the bloody history of the age of Christendom is hardly ever mentioned. You'd think that people would connect the dots, but it seems that people accept the drivel they're being fed without question.
     
  6. Not really swept under the rug. Most of us Christians admit the bloody history. Nor do we try to excuse it by saying that "those people weren't Christians". However Christendom was a lot less bloodier than people suppose and, as always, the wars that were fought were primarily about the haves and the have nots, not religions. Even the so-called wars of religion in the 17th century were economic in nature. Their catalyst was the creation of the secular states of Europe, actually, and religion was really marginal (and the majority of the fighting was between Catholics against other Catholics, not Catholics against Protestants). All war, even that inaugurated by Islamic terrorists, is primarily economic and political in nature. Religion may become a buttress, an excuse, or a recruiting tool, but all war is about economics.

    Also I wouldn't call ISIS and related groups "a sizable portion". They really are marginal. That's like saying that the fundamentalists behind the Left Behind series that have a theology similar to ISIS's but Christian instead represent a sizable portion of Christianity. They don't, not if you think in international terms at least.
     
  7. FutureGuitarGod

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    Valid point, but you are skimping on a few details. Once Europe began leaving the Dark Ages (and the end of the Roman Empire) various tribes and nations began seeking out new territory. Christianity became a bargaining chip, a means to build a new empire out of the ruins of the Roman Empire. Basically, by converting the continent of Europe to Christianity, the Roman Empire could not only regain lost territory, but expand into the areas they couldn't reach. It was never about doing the Lord's Work. It was about control. The Romans observed the passivity of the early Christians (gnostics and messianic Jews) and began building the foundation for Catholicism based on the belief that they would be free to take any territory they wanted if the citizens were indoctrinated. The chieftains and royalty of these nations were converted first, then the other classes would convert under the guidance and encouragement of their countrymen. Of course, there was bloodshed and force, but Christianity was mostly accepted through diplomatic means.

    In terms of population, it is marginal, but one bad apple spoils the bunch. That, and the ideologies of fanatical groups can easily be spread. It's like a game of Whack-a-Mole. ISIS formed in the ashes of previous organizations, and I don't think it will stop there. Even now an African Islamist group is threatening to attack American civilians in shopping malls. Islamist organizations are in many places. They may be marginal in numbers, but they will stop at nothing to attain their goals. Downplaying it does not negate the fact that they exist.
     
  8. Immor

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    You better give up on including apples in your diet then. With groups having the kind of numbers religions do, you can always find some "bad apples".

    And you blame the religion for that?
    While allen-o made some interesting points about calls to violence, I am pretty sure the recent increase in violence by Islamists is to be attributed to them and their families being attacked and killed continuously.
     
  9. FutureGuitarGod

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    "I am pretty sure the recent increase in violence by Islamists is to be attributed to them and their families being attacked and killed continuously."

    That still does not justify violence. Retaliation is one thing, but taking violence to a level of depravity is a whole other level. I know why those groups have so much disdain for my country, but I am not to be held accountable for the actions of my country's military. We can't vote on whether or not our country should occupy and invade other countries. Neither do we have control over what our government does when it comes to selling weapons to countries that don't like us. The U.S. exports weapons to those countries as a means to ensure future conflicts. Remember the Sarin Gas attacks in Syria? While President Obama was making an impassioned address to the people, he left out the part where we sold those chemical weapons to Syria. My opinion on that is this: if I had the power as a citizen to bring the U.S. government to trial for war crimes, I would do it in a heartbeat.
     
  10. If it comes to religion, civilized conversation stops.

    If BELIEVERS come across THINKERS, then there is always a clash, because they have a totally different approach to life.

    During my time at university, I have met some hard-core religious people, stuents of biology (!), who took the bible by word, who believed that the earth is just 10,000 years old, etc. I really tried to understand them and I gave them a lot of questions, because I wanted to see if they could think - but eventually, I gave up.

    Religious people are BELIEVERS - they DO NOT THINK, NEVER, they do NOT WANT TO THINK. Instead, they let their leaders and prophets think for them.

    It is a very easy life to be religious: You don't need to think, you just need to follow the rules. Very simple.
     
  11. Immor

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    Good man, I agree.
    The problem: While the government does not grant the power to hold the government accountable, we can not proclaim ourselves entirely innocent, as we are financing the operations with our taxes (current and future because of debt).
     
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    Given the rules of this forum, I would think that a post like this is far too off-topic, and should probably get deleted by a mod.

    Simply from the title, I wouldn't consider this something to be discussed here. This seems like something to be posted on a religious forum or a youtube comment section. NOT HERE
     
  13. Dorian Gray

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    I agree, all religions only brought war to the earth, pain suffering and full pockets.

    honestly it's all male driven, man this man that, i see all religions as cults and a dick measuring contest. is there a religion that boasts the female? besides having a bunch of them for wives or just baby making? people believe that religion is a must have to be happy, thats just not the case, you can be the happiest mother fucker on earth and you don't need some lies to do so. just go about your day, don't kill any one and relax, something most religions don't understand except "CUT HIS HEAD OFF WITH A BUCK KNIFE, HE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GOD...I THINK. KILL KILL KILL."
     
  14. Immor

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    Well you just revived the thread.
    I for one am happy to broaden the horizon and talk with the awesome people here about anything that comes up.

    Actually most religions preach peace. It is only some individuals would rather make war. If they are the leader, well...
     
  15. About religion, I found an interesting article on the BBC arguing that religion will probably never go away because it is rooted in our neuropsychology. Extracts:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141219-will-religion-ever-disappear
     
  16. I'm pretty sure he's referring to the flame-war and nonsense that's polluting the first 3 pages of this thread, not the discussion of religion in general.
     
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