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For Fapstronauts who are disciples of Christ

  1. Ketherlonk

    Ketherlonk Fapstronaut

    This list of reasons is amazing. Thank you so much for sharing it. I was especially struck by "Horniness leads me to serving and pursuing my wife better."
    I have realized this is so true for me! It's been awesome to recognize that a natural sexual urge (not P induced) is actually a good thing that has a purpose: draw me closer to my wife and motivate me to do something loving for her, in the romantic department of course but more often than not, in simple things like helping, cleaning, running errands for her, parenting. It's nice to know that the sexual urge is not something I really need to suppress, but rather redirect properly towards offering myself to my wife in love. When I redirect the urge properly I feel so grateful to have a wife, a person to love and share life with. When I direct the urge towards PMO (i.e. towards myself), I waste all that self-giving energy and become a pathetic loser and my wife starts feeling like a burden to me.
     
  2. CPilot

    CPilot Fapstronaut

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    I had a similar experience with "Whats Ap" not long ago. I have a legitimate need to use this ap and I belong to a couple of groups there because of some important secular matters that we share. However, one participant took on himself to post a PornSub to the group in an attempt at humor. I deleted the picture but it stuck in my mind far too long. I had to pray to the Holy Spirit to fight the temptation that single unwanted picture brought. It is hard not to be angry about that but I am praying for help with that too.
     
  3. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    Obviously goes without saying,

    don't do the service / romance expecting sexual intimacy.

    Do it for spiritual intimacy, connection and love, which will sometimes lead to sexual intimacy.

    Sometimes it will not happen.

    Don't go to PMO/MO then.

    It will kill you.
     
  4. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    I have had some mega stress recently and, along with the uninvited P incident a few days ago, it has triggered me.

    The stress is multiple unplanned visits to hospital with my wife, including ER in the middle of the night, meaning I lost most of my sleep that night, when sleep is scarce anyway.

    Posting here. Texting APs. Will meet with them soon too. Digging into God. Practicing self-care.

    In other news, I have been reading recently about the history of AA, which gave rise to the fellowship I am a part of, SA, and how basically it came out of a group called First Century Christianity. It was basically massively influenced by Christianity from the start. I find it absolutely fascinating and encouraging.

    It has made me want to look into Celebrate Recovery's texts / history and think about this more. I have no firsthand experience of this programme because there has never been one on near enough to me at a time I was aware of it here in the UK.

    Those who are familiar with it, what are its core texts? What should I read to familiarise myself with it?
     
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  5. The basic tenants are in the resource section of the Christian page along with software resources.
     
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  6. AA works, I am convinced, because it is founded on Christ. CR just makes this abundantly plain and links the 12 steps back to the Beatitudes, which is pure genius, imo. To understand the program better, I can recommend nothing more than buying a copy of the Leader's Guide and reading through it. Absolute gold.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Celebrate-Recovery-Updated-Leaders-Guide/dp/0310131545
     
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  7. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    Thank you.

    Check in.

    High stress. More unplanned hospital visits, and now a stay.

    Seeing APs in person tonight.

    Holding onto God.
     
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  8. CPilot

    CPilot Fapstronaut

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    I went through this with my daughter. What an incredibly stressful situation it is and how incredibly helpless it feels to watch a loved one suffer. The treatments are as brutal as the disease. Honestly, I do not know how people make it through such things without God. We had many great people around us, seeking to help and comfort and they did their best. However, it was only the recognition that God has a plan, quite different from ours but infinitely more complex and infinitely wiser than I could conceive, that got me through this. Praying for you and your family.
     
  9. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    Thank you for the identification. That is really helpful. And thank you as ever for the prayers. :)
     
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  10. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    I had a nocturnal emission last night.

    No accompanying dream. Not even any pleasure!

    Not exactly sure why it happened now. It has been about 3 months since the last O.

    So apparently my body "needs" (not) an O about every 3 months! (Reminder: I am 35.)

    This fits what my friend, one of my APs, told me. He has read all of the material of the early church Desert Fathers. Apparently they said that when living the high life as a religious hermit, when doing it properly, you should expect a sexual dream / nocturnal emission about 3 or 4 times a year!

    This may be TMI, but it was quite satisfying actually, in the morning... It's just nice to know that the equipment still works even if it's not in regular use at the moment!
     
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  11. CPilot

    CPilot Fapstronaut

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    In case this is a concern of others, I also worried that if by becoming more ascetic in this area that the biological systems involved would atrophy. I am married man in my 60's and I can verify there has been no negative biological effect.
     
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  12. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    Thanks. Only thing I would query is calling this 'ascetic'. As I have mentioned, I am increasingly convinced that this really is / should be 'normal mode' for the unmarried and those whose wives are not able to have sex.
     
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  13. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    Two things of note have happened recently, one major and one minor:

    1. Major. Thank you so much for your prayers, anyone who has prayed. I don't want to give too many details due to paranoia about breaking anonymity (however small the chances of that are), but my wife has had some very good news recently. The prayer and/or the medical treatment have been working! Basically, it looks like as far as we can tell she won't be dying anytime soon. She appears at this point to be in the previously mentioned 90% of people who get better following this treatment rather than the 10% who don't. I am so relieved and grateful. Praise God.

    2. Minor. Confession. I had a vivid PMO dream the other day. I dreamt I was actually doing it. In some of the dream it was pleasurable, but in some of the dream it was repugnant and horrible. I was so relieved when I woke up that I hadn't actually done it, because shame and guilt and horror had set in in the dream. Holding onto the truth that just because I dreamt something doesn't mean I have to do it. One day at a time.
     
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  14. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    In addition to previous post, wanted to share some digital resources I have discovered recently that I have found really helpful:

    -Recent episode of 'Pure Victory' podcast (which @RedeemedIowan put me onto, thank you!) interviewing the Moral Revolution guys. Excellent!

    -This led me to the Moral Revolution 'Let's Talk About It' podcast. Recent episode on masturbation. Haven't listened yet but sure it will be excellent: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podca...am-goff-cole-zick/id680656710?i=1000582172412

    -Resources from Dr Doug Weiss, including the book 'Clean' and the podcast 'Love and Sex Today'. Gold standard.

    -Sheila Wray Greogoire and husband's book 'The Good Guy's Guide to Great Sex'. Absolutely phenomenal. And her other books, and her podcast, of course.
     
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  15. Mr. Green

    Mr. Green Fapstronaut

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    I am so glad to hear that you and your wife have received such good news. God is taking care of His children and hearing this news from you is a wonderful support for my belief that He is always with us. Would you say that you have grown in trusting and living closor to Him during this difficult period?

    A couple of weeks ago I experienced a sexually provacative dream almost every other night. It really started to weigh on me after a long period of having no experience of that at all. On some occasion all the temptations seem to come at us all at once, but we must trust in Christ and that He will never allow it that any temptation will become unbearable.
     
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  16. I am full monk mode and beware wet dreams are inconsistent and can still cause chaser. There can be long periods between them. It is the natural way of release though and nothing to be ashamed of.
     
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  17. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    I did get a chaser with that one, but barely any. Though I had 'only' been relapsing with PMO once/year and MO once a month prior to this (I pray permanent) period of sobriety, so thankfully not deep into PMO.
     
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  18. Rebooter2022

    Rebooter2022 Fapstronaut

    Check in. I had another PMO dream last night, this time combined with an emission.

    So this is a bit more than "three or four a year", though I guess it hasn't been a year yet...

    Not entirely sure why it happened. Maybe it's not possible to know and doesn't really matter.

    One factor could be... I wasn't going to mention this, because it's not really relevant to anything and a gentleman does not speak of it, but there was a very brief window where medical circumstances allowed for hard mode to end momentarily (I think it was something like 116 days hard mode, basically approaching four months). So that might have primed the system a bit.

    I really don't understand nocturnal emissions at all... None for three months and then two in as many weeks... I think the best analogue I have is breastfeeding: The more you use the system, the more the system wants to be used. AND it's painful shutting down the system when it has been used... But not impossible, with God.

    I need to make sure with God's help that I am not letting any lust in, however. I need to stay vigilant and notice if I am letting any lust in anywhere, which might have given rise to these PMO dreams.

    I am so tired at the moment. I am on nights with our baby. I fell asleep four times sitting upright last night waiting to do baby's last feed!
     
  19. They happen and it’s outside of your control. There’s no rhyme or reason to them.
     

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