Karezza / NoNut > NoFap

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by TheCHAMP123, Feb 5, 2019.

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  1. TheCHAMP123

    TheCHAMP123 New Fapstronaut

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    So last July/August I started what was intended to be NoFap streak. I went for about a month until I got laid -- with this girl R who I thought was super attractive (busty, cute face, big ass, in shape) I was kinda drunk, didn't finish, but somehow the NoFap mindset made the not-finishing seem like not a big deal. She 'ghosted me' (don't worry she came back a few months later for another bang) but somehow the ghosting didn't get to me.

    Still on a nofap streak, about a month and half in I met another girl S of a similar caliber (she was only 19 with newly developed double Ds, almost looked like implants, asian which was crazy, in shape), also around this time I banged another 19 year old T who was also pretty cute but not as hot as S or R. So that is where I was, somehow I had managed to hold it in I was banging S and T -- but then I fucked up -- I started finishing with S.

    When we were banging and when I was finishing, I got the feeling like she 'wanted something from me,' like she really really wanted my cum. One time after finishing she told me that she banged some other guy -- but because I had just finished -- my cool level headed, ready for any adversity, nofap mindset was no longer there and I kinda flipped. Long story short that was the last of S, which really got to me. Shortly after I started the PMO cycle and the other girl T stopped talking to me too. It literally took me 3 months or so to get my head back together after such an emotional rollercoaster.

    Later on, after getting my head somewhat together, on a 2-week nofap streak, I was able to get with R again, but I finished. She ghosted me again -- but this time I became emotional and started the PMO cycle again. Long story short, I fucked that one up big time and I don't expect to be banging her any time soon.

    Long story short, I am now on day 20 of a NoFap streak. I got laid last monday with one of my ex-gfs who was in town (not as hot as any of the girls previously mentioned) but did NOT FINISH (i think I have a good technique if you want me to explain).

    I plan on keeping this no-nut streak for 90 days at least (although I will not abstain from intercourse). I already have a few dates lined up from daygaming this past week with girls on R S or T's level. All I can say is things are looking good, but I honestly think nonut is far more superior to nofap. With nonut - I am just as stoked at all times for everything - with nofap, you still jizz, so you lose the energy.

    What do you all think of this?
     
  2. gagate

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    Nofap, nonut, whatever they are all inferior, the ultimate goal is to have perfect mental purity and strictly no wet dreams, that is what brings the most results, when the sexual desire is transcended
     
  3. TheCHAMP123

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    Maybe I'm not on that level, I still love banging hot girls haha. Maybe there are 'levels.' Also, I've never had a wet dream in my life.

    like NoFap < karezza no/nut < transcendence of sexual desire
     
  4. gagate

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    You never have a wet dream because you relapse too often.

    Sex is not worth it, total retention brings far too many long term benefits like:

    1) Increased memory
    2) Increased mental faculties
    3) More health and less disease especially at an older age
    4) Increased focus
    5) Increased strength
    6) etc

    If you had my same knowledge and experience you would stop banging chicks the same day, it's not worth it, period.

    Constant relapses bring:

    1) Mental fog
    2) You literally become dumber
    3) You are more prone to disease
    4) Your mind always wanders around
    5) You will be weaker
    6) etc

    ALl of that for what? a stupid orgasm of 2-3 seconds?
     
  5. Maybe it isn’t clear to you. He is able to have sex AND retain semen. This is an amazing skill it took me years to develop it.
     
  6. gagate

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    Like I already said it's all about abstaining from both sexual thoughts and wet dreams
     
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    Longest I've gone was 2 months... which is a pretty good amount of time -- I plan on going at least 3 months this time -- I made a pact with my biological brother so I feel confident that I'll keep the pact.

    Also this high and mighty guy gagate seems like a total joke (imo) prolly not even being honest.
     
  8. 010010010100000101001101

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    Seems about right. Same is true for me. When I do nofap but still ejaculate I definitely have a lot of benefits compared to masturbating top porn, but not nearly as much benefits as when I retain semen. Semen retention is where it's really at!
    He does seem to want to convert everybody on this forum into a celibate monk haha. That's definitely not what I wan't, I am looking for balance between healthy sexuality and benefits of retention/nofap, as most people here I believe. But he does have a point, sex will drain you to an extent. Even without ejaculation. Still though, 95% of the benefits are from semen retention. So you're fine, nothing to worry about. But know that if at some point, for whatever reason, you do get tired of sex and want to take a brake from it, maybe to focus more on career success, education, etc, there is always next level waiting for you.
    Yes, please explain. I do have desire to retain and absolutely believe there are huge benefits to it. But I don't have a good technique yet. Always could use some advice.
     
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  9. TheCHAMP123

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    Really you just start off normal banging, then when it starts to get too hot you stop -- then you start fingering her, eat her out -- blah blah -- let your dick chill out for a little bit while you are still stimulating her.

    The biggest one though, let her get on top. But for me, this only works after a long time of no fapping (because usually girls suck at being on top), just be like, "Hey do you want to be on top?" if she is hot enough you will just still be turned on by her hotness, even though she prolly sucks at being on top.

    So at first you fuck her normal until it is too much (maybe 5-10 mins max)
    Then start fingering her, eating her out
    Then you get her on top until it is kinda boring
    But then FINALLY you get back on top -- and for some reason at this point I can just fuck like a maniac and not cum idk why -- has anyone else tried anything like this?
     
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  10. Gmork

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    Not sure anybody really cares...
     
  11. gagate

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    Well good luck with it, if you can do 2 months you can probably do 3 months. Yes I'm being honest about it, if you read above my lines you can tell I'm being honest.
     
  12. gagate

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    It's not that I want to turn everyone into a celibate, thing is this, sex is meant for procreation, the pleasure that comes from it is a facilitator for procreation, the problems arise when people just want physical pleasure which is a lower desire, and brings side effects, I learnt it the hard way. The same applies to food, the taste is a facilitator, but if you just focus on taste you will probably get fat etc.

    But hey guys, it's your body, you do whatever you want with it
     
  13. I hate that this is true lol
     
  14. 010010010100000101001101

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    I don't disagree with you on your points, everything that you say is technically true. I just think there is more to it than that. Your solution for this is to abolish thing, that has potential to hurt you, completely. I just don't think it's necessary.

    Food is a problem for me and I am currently dealing with it. Unfortunately we need to ate all the time so I can't just avoid it like you avoid sex. Wouldn't in be wonderful if we could become breatharians, huh? But I know people who ate 99% healthy and then have a delicious cheat meal couple of times a month. It works for them.

    The same way I believe somebody can practice semen retention and the same time have sex in moderation without losing themselves to it and overdoing it. It probably isn't for everyone though. Some people have more or less self control regrading different things.
    Interesting. That's weird. I wonder why is this.
     
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  15. gagate

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    Well yes, if all of sudden you try to repress your sexual desires etc, it's probably not going to end well, what I did I simply got into spiritual literature and increased my knowledge about the side effects of sex and the pros of abstaining, I understand my results are not common and I deal with skepticism everyday, but there was hard work behind my results and years of experience.

    Yes we need to eat and bring nourishment to the body, that's for sure, as fas as being a breatharian, I'm 100% sure it's possible, I follow the doctrine of ramalinga swamigal, suddha sanmarga, basically Ramalinga was a saint that recently existed, I think more than just 100 years ago so its quite recent, He rarely ate, and in the later stages he never ate anything, he also used to never sleep. In his poems he claimed he achieved an immortal body, would not age, perfectly youthful. He said there are many things that kill the body, the main ones in order of priority are sex, the second one is food, the third one is sleep, the fourth is fear. He claimed in order to regenerate yourself all of the above was required to be transcended, plus melting with the divine, it seems he learnt directly from god itself, which he calls the jothi.

    The most remarkable thing is that at 51 years of age, he announced his disappearance, he announced he would dematerialize and reunite with the divine, he locked himself into a cell, and disappeared, the police broke the cell and never found anything, this is clearly recorded to my amazement. His body was never found.

    Since i started following his teachings I'm getting serious results, so I think what he was saying was truthful.

    Honestly, getting rid of the sexual desire is easy, food and sleep are the hardest ones, I'm doing yoga of sleep, and I reduced my sleeping hours from 8 to 5 which is quite remarkable already, if you abstain from sex, from my understandings, you need way less sleep because you are far more energized.

    Also, food correlated with sleep, if you eat way too much, you might follow asleep.
     
  16. 010010010100000101001101

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    Maybe. I know some people who claim to do that and are still alive and no saints but just ordinary people, such as Genesis Sunfire (I've watched his interview on youtube called "Future Humans Are Here"). I've found many other breatharians too who even have youtube channels haha.

    I don't know whether these guys are for real or just frauds. I don't really tend to believe anything 100% until I have tried it, or there is enough scientific research to support it. But I'm trying to keep an open mind, even tho it's bloody difficult to keep an open mind to some things...

    I do have some immediate problems at hand now before I can ascend to godhead though. Such as getting a well payed job and getting an further education haha. I also have to clean the dishes. When you have some mundane problems to deal with ascending doesn't seem like such a priority. Especially considering that all it might be just BS superstition.
     
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  17. Theirs no need for a job, house, or food, when you have truly ascended... You cant make dirty dishes if you don’t eat. Houses are the reason we have to get our sustenance from food... Poor air quality, low sunlight. It’s all starting to make sense.

    3 days HardMode
     
  18. gagate

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    I think 100% are frauds unless they don't want any money. Then there might be a chance.

    I kind of agree with it, there are 2 ways for spiritual advancement, becoming a sannyasin which means renouncing everything, begging on teh streets for food etc, or being an householder and dealing with all the hassles of family etc, I believe none of them are the best but a thing in the middle, which I'm doing, being an entrepreneur and possibly not going into meditating into a cave and avoiding distractions of family etc. So in that position you are not struggling nor too distracted.

    But some people are not meant to advance spiritually I believe, only god knows, perhaps for karmic reasons
     
  19. 010010010100000101001101

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    Does it? Maybe a guy just has some knowledge and just wants to make some money with it. I don't get why that would make him fraud. That's kind of like saying that personal trainer at your gym is a fraud unless he trains you for free. It's normal thing for people to make money with their knowledge and experience. No?
     
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  20. gagate

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    Don't think so, you need a high level of maturity for achieving that, money matters less I believe, most of legit breatharians are in india and don't care about fame nor money, i give more credit to them.
     

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