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Look at this and tell me porn isnt evil

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by AtomicTango, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    WARNING! THERE WILL BE POTENTIALLY TRIGGERING CONTENT IN THIS POST!

    First things first, apologies to the mods if this is deemed too far to be posted, but I think it needs to be shown and talked about. Once again, TRIGGER WARNING!

    These past few days have been extremely hard for me, I almost relapsed a few times and the last time, a couple of days ago, I was so close to relapsing that I was sat staring at my computer screen, eyes glazed over, my heart pumping in my chest like it was trying to break out. In the end I fought the urges off and things cooled down. By sheer coincidence, later on I found a twitter thread talking about this. I'm going to put this in a spoiler tag so read at your own risk.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/LailaMickelwait/status/1215880627301449729

    The thread is quite long and has some pictures in it, but they are censored, showing PornHubs 4th most popular video of this week, with over FOUR MILLION views. This video shows "a teen girl, hands/feet shackled down, mouth gagged, being penetrated with a machine, electrocuted until she is screaming in pain & her body burned with wax"

    I see this, and I have to be honest. Part of me becomes slightly aroused, and that kinda scares me, considering all I know about porn and how damaging it is to us mentally and physically. This is yet more reason to give up porn, to stop supporting heinous shit like this

    OK so back to the stuff that I think doesnt need a spoiler tag. I can already see some of the arguments being made, so let me address them as best I can.

    "The video is obviously fake, the woman in it is an actress" - Yes, I am aware of this, but I would like to point out to anyone who uses this argument that this is often NOT the case and I urge you to do the research yourself. See the documentary "Hot Girls Wanted", or countless other real life cases of women being exploited into doing porn. Also see these two articles.

    https://fightthenewdrug.org/how-teen-girls-get-tricked-into-doing-porn/

    https://fightthenewdrug.org/pornhub-reportedly-profits-from-nonconsensual-videos/

    We have no real idea whats going on behind the scenes here in this specific case but at the end of the day that isnt really the point is it? Even if this is completely above board it doesnt mean the countless other examples of this are (Heres a wild guess, they arent)

    "What right do you have to police consenting adults, why are you kinkshaming?" I mean this argument ties into the above argument but I'll address it separately. In theory, I have no problem with consenting adults doing stuff like this, but this, to me, is different. FOUR MILLION people, more than that in fact have seen this video and even if only one percent of those people see it and and have their brains fucked with because of it, thats a staggering FORTY TWO THOUSAND people. How anyone can view this and think it isnt toxic to men and women's brains is delusional in my opinion.

    In conclusion, I dont see how anyone can look at this and still think porn isnt harmful. I think there is a common misconception that porn is somehow analogous to something like a Playboy magazine or occasionally seeing a boob or bare ass in an 18 rated movie. Its not at all. Its so much worse and in a lot of cases is deliberately designed to corrode the mind, body and spirit. I'm not saying this as a radical feminist, as a religious fundamentalist, or as some sort of zealot. Just as someone who has had their mind warped by porn from a young age and fights every day to overcome it, seemingly like a lot of people on here. Its becoming increasingly obvious to me that cutting down or outright quitting masturbation is a case of controlling natural urges, this is doable with the right plan of action and a good amount of honed willpower and strategy. Giving up porn, giving it up completely, is like quitting a class A drug.
     
  2. CTRL + DEL

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    Okay now I have to watch it.
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    Jk thanks for raising awareness ♡
     
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  3. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

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  4. Well that was eye opening. Didn't read the twitter thread since I didn't want to risk getting triggered, but those two FTND articles were mind-blowing.
     
  5. when I was younger, not that much younger, this was the stuff I would get off on, I was so far down in the pit I didn't even know this was messed up.
     
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  6. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    This is the kind of thing the porn industry wants you to stay ignorant about!
     
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  7. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    I went through a similar phase, and it still triggers me to this day.
     
  8. Ronaldo Machuca

    Ronaldo Machuca Fapstronaut

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    P*rn isn't an entity. My gosh there are an immense amount of people who refuse to see the problem. IT IS YOU. blame everything you want but it's you. You choose to watch it. I guess that's what separates the sane and delusional from refusing to acknowledge themselves as the problem.
     
  9. Someone who gets it, thank you.
     
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  10. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    I feel like you're getting hung up on a semantic point in the title and not addressing anything I actually said in the thread. This thread is about the insidious underside to porn that is often hidden and obfuscated and results in the lives of men and women being destroyed. If you want further evidence beyond the links I provided, just browse the forums for a while and see the countless examples of people becoming addicted to porn and it damaging or outright ruining their lives. If you seriously think porn isnt DELIBERATELY designed to tap into our brains and be addictive, then I dont know what to tell you honestly.
     
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  11. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    Gets what? Care to elaborate on what you thought I dont get or wrote that was inaccurate?
     
  12. bigboibez

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    While this is a good post, I think almost everyone on nofap is aware that porn is bad for them, or they wouldn't be here. This post would be very useful for people who are in denial or simply unaware of their PMO addiction.
     
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  13. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    I agree, my intention with this was to drive home how messed up porn can be and how normalised the kind of stuff shown in the twitter thread is. I brought up the criminal aspect of it because I wasnt actually aware of it, and I consider myself to be decently educated on the topic. I figured if I didn't know that much about it it was worth sharing.
     
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  14. That's why I think that essentially erotica litterature and cartoon porn/hentai aren't inherently bad, even if addicts like us shouldn't check that stuff out ever again.

    However, with video porn it gets really complicated really quickly. There is a fair amount of consensual, OK porn but that's just the tip of the iceberg imo.

    There is so much fucked up and extremely brutal/violent and twisted content out there, it's hard to believe how it's even legal most of the time. It's litterally rape/abuse on tape, or girls who have obviously been mindbroken and turned into slaves to do what they do. I'm sure most of the girls are lies to and tricked into doing some softcore porn but unbeknownst to them they end up getting completely abused on tape instead.
     
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  15. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    Its this that I was trying to get across, that there is a common misconception that porn is somehow a more explicit version of a Playboy magazine or a sex scene in a film, when its not the same thing at all. People HERE are aware that its more than that of course but it goes even further than most are aware of and people outside of our bubble wont even acknowledge it. Big porn sites actively profit from criminal activity, its a proven fact, this goes beyond a moralistic argument and becomes an argument against supporting companies that profit from sex trafficking and hide behind a cringey and false public persona to try and ensure most people dont discover it.

    From a simply moralistic standpoint though; this shits fucked, its not normal for millions of people to watch such things and I say this as someone who used to be a part of it. As a culture we have abandoned the principle of "keeping stuff between you and your partner" and have championed screaming your perversions from the rooftops and being praised for it.
     
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  16. I did not need to read anything you said to confirm that no, porn is not evil.
    That's like saying a chair is evil.
     
  17. ahighertruth

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  18. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    You're the second person to get hung up on the wording of the title of the thread and not address anything I actually wrote or address any of the information provided. Would people stop getting hung up on it if the title said "Look at this and tell me the porn industry isnt evil?"
     
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  19. People who have abused alcohol and came off of it and recovered from being an alcoholic will know that alcohol is harmful. Why? From experience and realizing just how much they were consuming. Now why did they abuse alcohol? Majority of the time it is related to mental health issues, it could be related to anxiety so people use alcohol to ease/numb those feelings down because they don't want to deal with it.

    The same logic applies to porn.

    What I meant by what I said earlier was that I was agreeing with the fact that someone actually took notice and realized that the actual culprit and the one to blame is not porn, but ourselves. Porn is made harmful by the individual, because with obvious logical sense too much of anything is obviously bad for us. Our behaviors and our lack of discipline is the problem, we are the problem, not porn. A lot of people love to blame their problems and the unhappiness on porn when in reality, excessive porn watching is a symptom of poor mental health, people don't like to put the blame on themselves because they don't want to be held accountable for not taking care of ourselves in the first place.

    People can blame porn all they want, doesn't change the fact that porn isn't the problem, they are and that porn or anything for that matter is made harmful by the individual. Some people watch it once a week or once a month, some people watch it once a day, some don't watch it and still go on with their lives and perform at their own pace. Why do these people still go in with their lives and are able to do what they want at their own pace? Because they take care of themselves.

    I made porn a problem for myself and I hold myself responsible for not doing anything about it until about half a year ago, I noticed that porn annoys me so I want to stop. I don't blame porn for being this way, I blame myself for sitting in a pit of depression and letting it eat me up.
     
  20. I don't think anybody here denies what you just said.

    However, and this is the point of this thread, you still haven't taken into account that porn is fundamentally different from alcohol and drugs: it involves real people, many of which are tricked or coerced into parricipating violent or humiliating sexual acts, or even raped, and that the industry has strong ties with human trafficking networks and the mafia.

    What do you say about that. What do you say about the fact of getting off to videos of women being mindbroken and then actually physically and sexual abused on video for the whole world to watch. Isn't there anything wrong with that?

    Have you even bothered reading the two articles shared by the OP?
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2020
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