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Loosing possibilities

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by WelcomeToReality, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. WelcomeToReality

    WelcomeToReality Fapstronaut

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    Hei all,

    Since I quit porn, I'm doing retrospective of myself. I hit some "magical leverage" where I'm completely have no urge, no wanting or need to watch porn.

    But I easly catch my emotional of loosing something. I catch myself thinking about going to escort girl. It's not like I want or I'll do it, I'm in control of that. And for me it's understandable why it's harder to unplug from escort girls and from porn. Because you can get such emotional experience with escort girls what makes you harder to distinguish reality , while porn it's relatively easy to distinguish reality.
    But retrospectivly on that , I see where it coming from. When for example I surf on Facebook , at some point I feel I'm loosing something, something good, like 'there are a lot of sexy girls, many of them having good time with men, I don't - I must to do something" , then though of search for escort girl coming to mind.

    Now I remember that there was a very similar feeling while watching porn. You see so many men enjoying of such young georgous girls, there is soo many many, seems like all world is enjoying sex, not you, then feeling of loosing such pleasures apears, and it works like catalyst like 'you have not waist this chance of pleasure' . Of course such mind happens in background, if we think about it consciously then we are not getting aroused.

    Any can relate to that feeling of loosing something?
     
  2. JoeinUSA

    JoeinUSA Fapstronaut

    Yes, but then there's also the converse - all the higher ground of life and all its fulfillments that you could be enjoying, coming at last into some life joy and happiness, which we know we will never get to so long as we keep the carnal addictions alive of experiencing half-assed, short-lived carnal pleasure (sometimes not so great anymore even), often followed by feeling like shit and drowning in quicksand. I certainly don't miss that. That's an experience worth losing.
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  3. WelcomeToReality

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    @JoeinMD

    I totally agree with you.
    In last week I spend a lot hours to talking to myself and trying to reaching my higher self. Finding out my inner demons.
    I found so many hidden emotions, past experiences and triggers related to urge to porn. This works, even better then I thought.

    But even if I hit "leverage" and I don't want porn now - I feel at the edge - I need more to introspect me, because it's only me who can start watching again.

    It would be stupid to think my brain and neural pathways will change in a week even if ideas about life and porn it's changed in my mind.
    In beginning I thought it's enough to get and understand idea only once very clearly, for example that "I'm not loosing anything by quitting porn, there is exact opposite, porn addiction work's because we putting us to illusion that there is true emotions, while porn actors fake it" , so even if I understand that clearly and that understanding is truth which calms my inner demons and at that moment it disconnects from urge to watch porn, it seems that it's not enough. It's needs to repeat.
    Looks like it's training a dog. If you give a food for dog for certain action and repeat many times, he will connect food to this action. So I need to develop higher self to spot those 'inner demons' and reverse it to truth and reality many times until my brain makes enough new neural pathways and disconnects enough wrong neural pathways.

    So seems that big part of the key of getting rid of porn is raising our consciousness.
     
  4. JoeinUSA

    JoeinUSA Fapstronaut

    Yes, there's the addict self and the healthy self that speaks internally within us. In this kind of thing, I would recommend George Collins' book Breaking the Cycle. It helped me a lot from the beginning till now even. It's a highly testified read from many others on this site, as well.

    Yes, rewiring against a bad habit takes a while, a minimum of 90 days, but 120 days or longer are even better. But, then, one may find oneself on unchartered territory, especially if one has been in the addiction for decades. The doubt and uncertainty might lead to another relapse, although it doesn't have to. But if it does, one soon gains back the experience of the previous long streak if one gets past a month or two again. This is where I am now, and I strongly feel like this is my final/last streak now. So long as I don't foolishly choose to throw it away, which is always a possibility. Here is where having a clear eagle's eye about what the addict self wants/needs (and his internal messages) and what the healthy self wants/needs (and his internal messages), both often mixed together in the dark murky misty corners of the mind; but to the recovered, never the twain shall meet, until maybe to the degree that the addict self may partially or wholly get healed some day. You seem to be twisting the messages from the two selves, mostly using the addict self propaganda, and asking others for its possible justification, to overcome your healthy self and throw you back into addiction - which is the whole process of addiction at its best.

    Even if we don't get there, fully healed, by tomorrow. The whole journey is rather exciting and interesting, even when it is painful and disturbing. Anytime we are faced with haunting emotions, inner wounds, or parts of ourselves that need integration, which addiction could not do but only served as a mask or as a numbing agent, then we are really growing and healing and becoming just a little bit more integrated little by little, so long as we are not turning to our destructive addictions and substances again.

    BTW, yes, the dog training analogy is a good one. If we can employ operant conditioning and operant rewards into our our behavior modification in overcoming addiction, this is a powerful tool. For me, the little reward of seeing my counter climb in numbers is that kind of reinforcement. That is the way I use my counter anyway, whereas others employ it or not employ it for other reasons, not all of which I think are useful. But, whatever works for you, use it, and collect many tools in your quiver for when you need them.

    Best wishes!
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    Last edited: Oct 17, 2021
  5. WelcomeToReality

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    Thanks. I actually have ordered that book and 3 others. Planning to read all them at least 5times.

    Our mind can be amazingly tricky. Interesting example from my life:
    I been smoker, when I tried to quit, there was period where I didn't bought cigarettes, no one around me was smoking that period. As I remember it was not so hard. But I always from time to time - few times in week been meeting friend which is confirmed smoker, he give me cigarette and we smoked ant talk for half an hour , we smoked another one and we gone own ways. I spend my time to get there. I even was looking activities arround that area so I could be near by.
    I truly believed there was genuine interest to those meetings. Like you know - old friends meets to talk about business, life and so one. I had no idea I was meeting him only because I needed to get smoke.
    After I completely eliminates cigarettes, I never arranging such meetings. There was never very interesting topic, never truly on the way - actually I waisted my time to get there. The only reason I been going there was to get smoke.

    I wondered how same principle could manifest on quiting porn.
    I find myself spending much more time on computer without any reason. Like my mind be thinking "here is the place where it's happens, even if you ressist, soner or later it will happen, we take you to the porn when you get tired or bored by sitting on computer"
     
  6. Maybe try to hit it off with a girl normally? Though it can be brutal
     

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