M with P vs M without P..whats good and whats not..my take ..your take??

Yes, I would say that M without P is probably 90% as bad as M with P. About 8 years ago I didn't use a computer except for the library and had a regular flip phone, so I had no access to pornography for about 4 months, but I still did MO. I didn't really feel much benefits during that period. However, I do think the total amount of times I did MO was less because I wasn't as motivated to do it without access to porn. Also, my mind wasn't filled with as much images as when I had access to porn. But I didn't feel as inspired or as high energy or as happy like when I get a good streak going of no P and no M.

 

I don't think M is bad "per se". Some animals do M too and nobody taught me how to M as a kid, I learned it by myself (without P), so it is indeed something natural.

On the other hand, you're right. M could easily lead to more M and PM. I've always Med daily, even up to 6 times per day. Now, however, I have been through several months without M and PMO and ... never had any drawbacks. My longest streaks (6 months) have been always broken by M, not PM, but that's something I don't regret, because it's been always a rational decision I've made.

When we're trying to get rid of P in our lives, we must always take into account that by doing M, we're putting ourselves at some risk of relapse. The more self-knowledge you have, the more you've worked on "fixing" yourself and the more you've learned about how P works in your brain, the lesser chances you have to get back to the starting point.

One thing I'm kind of testing this time is trying to M in another completely different way. I've been always too visual, but now, when I do M, I close my eyes and ... instead of doing M quickly, I do it slowly, like a massage. I'm not fantasizing, only relax and feel my touch. I'm also trying not to do M too often.

The result: 76 days, 4 Ms (the yellow marks in my score), 0 PMs. So for now it's working. I've always enjoyed M, and now that I have left the shame behind, I wouldn't like to fully get rid of M in my life without trying.

This is not for newbies and/or people who have P in mind and are hypersexualized/overexcited all day long.

 

Too much of anything is a bad thing. If you are doing it once a day or every other day, that's probably okay. If you're doing it several times a day, that's most likely a problem. It's different for everyone and only you can know how much is too much. However, when you start rationalizing or lying to yourself that only partially failing is okay, then you've missed the mark. It's the same mentality with alcoholics or drug abusers. "Just one hit is okay. Just one drink is okay." It's easy to go right back where you started from when you start thinking like this.

 

Everyone is on a different journey and has a different relationship with P M O and their sex in general. Just because your goals are different to OP doesn't mean yours are right.

Why ask for peoples take if you're gonna agressively tell them they're wrong and insult them?

If the goal is a happy and fulfilling life free of addiction to PMO, I'd say OP is far closer to that goal than yourself.

 

Yeah, I totally appreciate the enthusiasm, but the truth is that many of us relapse, and when we do, we can't fall into despair, but rather we need to be easy on ourselves IMO, the shame thing just doesn't work.
There are many opinions on masturbation, and I am learning that ancient Spiritual wisdom has taught that it is healthier to retain the essence and/or be sexually abstinent altogether if pursuing a pure Spiritual life.
I understand it theoretically but not emotionally, because of my modern fucked up mind.
These forums need to be a safe place for people to express their struggles without harsh judgment against them, because for some this may be the only outlet they have. So many of us are isolated. We don't live in a perfect world, we live in a very fucked up world actually.
All that being said, let us exchange opinions with consideration for each other and remember that all of us have varying levels of pain and despair in our lives, what we need the most is to encourage each other on the path to wellness.
My personal goal is total abstinence, but that is just my personal situation.
If others feel like they can masturbate and do fine with that, live and let live....

 

It's rare to find someone who has the ability to self reflect on the internet, best of luck in your journey mate!