M without an O - does that count as masturbation? Thoughts please.

Everybody here has their own definition of some major concepts, such as addiction, relapse, masturbation or porn.
The best definition and masturbation (and the one wich i stick to) is the act of pleasuring yourself through the stimulation of your genitals (whether if it's with or without watching porn, cumming or orgasming).

About what you asked, it may be consider masturbation by the definition i've written before, but it's definetely not a relapse. It's like getting "hipnotised" by a porn ad while surfing the internet. If you honestly stopped when you realised what you were doing, i wouldn't consider it as actively masturbating.

But edging, no matter how did you do it, or for how long, it's still masturbation.

 

"Does masturbation without an orgasm count as masturbation?"
idk does stabbing someone without killing them count as stabbing someone?

 

There is no such thing as "everyone have their own definition of some major concepts". That's just pure relativism. Concept is the same as definition, so that statement does not even make sense. Maybe you meant like everybody here have their own goals. You cannot change the definition of something just because you want to or feel that way, it is what it is.

Now let's go to the answers. The definition of masturbation is the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals. Edging is the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals without having an orgasm (pretty much the same thing as masturbation). Orgasm is the physical and emotional sensation experienced at the peak of sexual excitation, usually resulting from stimulation of the sexual organ and usually accompanied in the male by ejaculation.

So, to be straight to the point, if you are doing No PMO, it is a relapse. If No PM, it is a relapse. You don't need orgasm to masturbate.

It is very important to be REAL while rebooting. Careful with relativism and rationalization (getting to the point where you start looking for reasons to relapse or lie to yourself).

 

You said it all.

 

People that voted "Yes, but only if you stroke for over a minute (a few seconds of weakness doesn't count)" in your pool, are just lying to themselves.

Think about it. That's pure rationalization, that will lead to a biggest fall in the future.

 

Read carefully: I did not say that "everybody with it's own definition of something is right", i just said:

But again, that doesn't mean that they are right, of course they aren't. That sentence it's just used as an introduction.
About the definitions and the concepts: we are a brazilian and a spanish guy talking in english, so i won't get into the discussion of wether if one word means something or not.

 

Now I see what you meant. I think we are on the same page.

 

We are.

 

careful with definition in this case yours is not true for everyone, i for one can stimulate or manipulate my genital to cause say pain or whatever would that still count as masturbation? same goes for edging.

 

Bruh, don't remove context from what I said. I'm answering the dude's question. He literally said, he M'ed and O'ed. If I was writing outside this forum, I would describe the context, but since we are here, there is no need for that. Let me be clear than: stimulation by stroking or using some kind of object.

 

If I edge one of two things happen:

I got a bad aching sensation in my groin and in an attempt to relieve it I have to O.
I go over the edge - sooner or late it will happen

 

I see. But still. I remember that your goal was No Porn, Masturbation and Orgasm. Is this still your goal? It is tough man, but we need to be realistic and honest with ourselves, otherwise we will just extend suffering.

 

I see your struggle. I think you should put all your efforts on stopping Porn and Masturbation, since you have a girlfriend. No matter what, you should avoid P. Every time you have the urge to watch P, think about your girlfriend or message/ call her to talk about anything. You gotta have a counter plan for when the urge strikes.

If you avoid O'ing only because after that you have urges to M and watch P, why don't you learn techniques to deal with the urges instead? I say this, because it is very likely that you are going to ejaculate even if you don't M or have an active sexual life. We can always have wet dreams or something like that, you know?

That's the reason why I do No PM. It is just my opinion, everyone has different goals here, and I respect yours.

 

Forgive me for my question..you had an orgasm but no ejaculation?

 

I think not, it doesn't count. But is useless and harful for you.