Make porn illegal

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Bottomofthemap, Mar 29, 2018.

  1. Paperweight

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    I don't necessarily disagree, as I say I'm not interested in talking about "how".

    I agree, there are positives and negatives to everything, we have to weigh the balance. I expect you agree with me on the heroin front, so you have changed to pornography (which is the real subject of the thread, but not what we were just discussing) which we might regard as less harmful. But I would definitely say that pornography is more harmful than good on balance by a colossal margin. I can't prove it, but it's my opinion and we could discuss it in depth.
     
  2. I don't look at porn anymore, I am training to be a massage therapist, and find the imperfect physical appearance of real women and their tactile feel to be categorically superior to porn. I also think that watching another man pleasure a woman is cuck territory.
     
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  3. Paperweight

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    You can stop there, because I'm not advocating for banning anything, just acknowledging that our actions can have predictable, harmful, indirect consequences to broader society.

    That is precisely what I do. At least, insofar as consequences can be predicted to be significantly negative with reasonable confidence.

    I don't care if someone has an apple instead of a pear for lunch today, for example, I consider that an amoral choice because I don't perceive any obvious and significant broader impact of that action. If there were other factors involved, such as a huge apple (changed fruit to avoid triggers) crisis, then morality could come into it.
     
  4. IggyIshness

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    ..porn is a billion dollar Buisness. So most likely it wont go down so easily. Especially with all the conspiracies behind it etc.

    Also good way to "ban" things is to have a proper education.
     
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  5. if you used the prostitution rationale for banning porn, then you could easily apply the same logic to dating and marriages.
     
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  6. Ridley

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    Makes sense. Sorry I misunderstood you. I think we really agree then, if we're just talking about ethics.
     
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  7. Paperweight

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    Fear not, I'll argue with you anyway!

    For instance, in your first post, you claimed:
    Now, I think I see where you are coming from: a non-sentient thing such as alcohol or pornography is neither moral nor immoral, it's people's actions which are subject to morality.

    But would you defend the position that pornography consumption is not immoral? I say it is!

    (I'm using ethics and morality as synonyms, so tell me if there's a difference to you.)

    Your alcohol analogy is a good one. Some important differences between alcohol and pornography:
    • Alcohol consumption (done right) is a social activity used to build community cohesion
    • Alcohol has been customary for thousands of years, hundreds of generations, our societies evolved with it and it is part of our ancient identity, so even if it is bad we should think twice before doing away with it for culture's sake

    I fully acknowledge that there are negative impacts of alcohol consumption on society, and it is my opinion that they are only getting worse. But do I think that alcohol (i.e. it's sale and consumption) is immoral? I'm on the fence, I don't defend nor condemn it strongly, though I don't drink it.

    Pornography is a very different story:
    • It seems to primarily cause one to avoid socialising
    • I don't believe there is a healthy level of pornography use
    • It's not traditional, certainly not in it's current form, nothing like it
    I don't see any significant positives to pornography, unlike with alcohol. Therefore on balance I say it is a scourge to society and hence immoral.
     
  8. Paperweight

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  9. A better approach would be to promote personal responsibility and self awareness. The "ban porn" logic leads to "ban everything that anyone is addicted to". I.e. everything.

    Giving governments and legal systems more power is a minefield. Remember, if you let them ban porn then that's a precedent. We here all agree that if there was no porn it would help us, sure. But the government, or some other lobby group, can use that rationale to introduce a ban that you don't agree with. Because we ban things that some group thinks are bad.
     
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  10. God never wants people to die. But He shows in a lot of places that when He warns people, and they disobey, it will have a result.
    It's very often about the commandment about the idolatry.

    Same with porn. People will be killed by not obeying and following the commandments.
    Don't blame God for that.
     
  11. Paperweight

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    Oh yeah @Roady, I'd like to invite you to the "Is pornography immoral?" thread as well. I guess you can see it, but I'd like to hear from you!
     
  12. SaltedPeter

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    First things first :
    Every society from just about the beginning of time has set a moral code and why they may vary greatly this stabilizes society as a hole no matter what corner of the earth it is. What one may find interesting is most cultures do have sexual related moral codes built in, so it would seem that the human it self is born and raised with some degree of moral compass unless they were on a desert island alone from birth.

    Now that said destructive societies in our pasts seemed to have loose moral codes even compared to today and these cultures failed, they also lost allot of unity in their society when sex meant nothing.

    In our social situations today we are working so hard to be politically correct and not force a moral code that we are failing to provide any moral code what so ever, this is my opinion why porn is thriving, not just because of availability but we ourselves do not set any moral codes and the lines get blurred.
     
  13. It’s a free speech issue and will never happen. Those who choose to see this stuff have every right to do so, and you must remember that most adults are not porn addicts. Viewing porn is not a privilege but is a right. Also, restricting the web isn’t possible.
     
  14. Recovering PA

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    The more of us that go through this journey and stop using it the less will be produced and the people in the industry that are being exployted/ trafficked will be less. A life without porn is a much happier existence. I am just learning this through my journey
     
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  15. What kind of stupid people are here. Trying to advocate porn in a porn recovery site.
     
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  16. IR254

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    We could start our debate all over again, but it will not lead anywhere. So I will not start it again. But as you see, a lot of people agree with me. Not so many with you. Maybe you should try to expand your horizone a little bit and stop forcing your view on everybody.
     
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  17. Bottomofthemap

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    Now now people. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We are all here because porn has affected our life in a negative way. Let’s be supportive of each other and respect others opinions even if it differs from your own.
     
  18. kio_actualized

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    FYI, there's a difference between morality and legality. Just because I think something is immoral it *doesn't* follows that it should be ilegal.

    People should mind their own business and stop putting their noses in other's lives.

    If I wanted to watch porn and you used physical force against me, without my consent, you'd be committing a aggression against me and for that I'd have the absolute right to defend myself and use force against you. Banning porn is no different from initiating aggression against innocent people and thus is highly anti ethical.
     
  19. What kind of retard advocates to ban porn while they're still addicted. If you fools had your way, we would all be in jail, lol.
     
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  20. Bottomofthemap

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    Haha... that made me chuckle funny post except for the retard part.
     

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