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Making Pornography Illegal? (possible triggering)

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Owari, Sep 14, 2016.

  1. care to actually cite something? This sounds like some 1960s sexual liberation rhetoric- that any attempt at sexual restraint is 'oppression'.
     
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  2. feo1966

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    Alcohol is fun until it is overused. Alcohol causes no health or social problems until it is overused for many years

    Video gaming is fun until it is overused. It causes no health or social problems until it is overused. It causes a major adrenaline and dopamine rush it is very addictive.

    Porn is fun, until it is overused. Porn causes no health or social problems unless it is overused for a period of time.

    You seem like more from the conservative side of the political spectrum. So why don't you like freedom of choice? Why can't I choose what I do with my body ?

    Are you seriously advocating for the government telling individuals they can't look at sexual material ?
     
  3. And there we disagree. Can't really square this circle.
    How do you define it? I believe we should have national parks- and more of them, i am against foreign intervention, against bailouts for wall street, I am against cheap labor and open border policies that hurt workers.
    I identify as anti-globalist, if that helps.

    Well, we agree I hope that they can't look at child pornography- so you agree at least partially with me.
     
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  4. feo1966

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    Of course child pornography should be illegal...and it is. But that really wasn't the discussion.
     
  5. You said ' Are you seriously advocating for the government telling individuals they can't look at sexual material "
    Child pornography is certainly sexual material. So you agree some 'sexual material' should be banned.

    I think all pornography should be banned, and going back to my original point - it is literally used as a weapon -and there is absolutely no connection between freedom of political dissent - which we have LESS of since the relaxing or ignoring of anti-pornography laws. if anything there is a correlation between LESS freedom of political speech and political dissent and the relaxation and encouragement of pornography- something which you haven't acknowledged.

    Let me ask you a simple question - has the widespread availability of porn made the world a better place??
     
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    Always an interesting discussion regarding banning porn.

    Porn in North America is a form of communication. Free speech is protected by the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights in the US or section 2(b) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in Canada.

    There are a lot of things out there that are bad for you such as cheeseburgers and soda pop. People are free to choose what to consume in a capitalistic free market and free thinking society.

    If we see a bad TV show we are free to change the channel and watch something else. We can also impress upon others to turn the channel with us as well.

    This is the same with porn. People can choose to consume or engage in this industry. With respect to "Child Porn", children are too young to consent to sexual acts, which is why child pornography is banned outright.

    Porn used to be regulated to theatres and stores requiring identification and the covering of the windows and material inside. Next, porn came to the internet, but you needed a credit card to access it. Now porn is accessible anywhere 24/7. It is very scary regarding the effects this is having on us and our children, male and female, boy or girl.

    We have to take responsibility ourselves and not delegate this responsibility to the government. We, as private citizens, must educate how damaging this industry is upon society at large.
     
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    We can try to blame our problems on the government, or the porn industry, but it strikes me that we are taking the focus away from where the issues lies. With ourselves. Sure, you can say we fell victim to changes in the pornography ecosystem, but we need to stop scapegoating, take some responsibility, and push for changes within.
     
  9. a. the united states got along fine with pornography not considered political speech until the 1960s- society started to break down and free association, free speech are increasing censored- but pornography becomes more widespread and laws regulating it become more and more lax.
    b. as for canada it is a perfect example of what i said earlier - less political freedom of expression and more widespread use of porn.

    again, this is not an accident.

    do towns have the right to ban pornography /sex shops? Why shouldn't they be able to ban porn channels and other distribution.

    Again, what benefit has it brought?

    Every HEALTHY society has had restrictions or limits on usuary, gambling, drug and nartcotic use and the sex trade.
     
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    I apologise, but that was your own fault. I don't think anything should be illegal only because some people can't control themselves (again apologies to you and everyone else here).

    This sums up my thoughts regarding the question asked by Owari. If I may add anything, is that I don't find P a positive thing for the individual, but this is just my opinion and I think I shouldn't impose my beliefs onto others, therefore I should let them be free to do whatever they desire with their lives, as long as their doing doesn't directly hurt myself or limitate my freedom.
     
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    Sorry, but how is it used as a weapon?

    Maybe so. But that's just not how legislation works (in the Western/free world). You cant just ban something because you think it makes the world a worse place. There are lots of things you could apply this logic to (junk food, video games, transportation, even music and art). They all end up being judgement or morality calls to varying degrees. Where do you draw the line? What you are suggesting IS how things work in places with totalitarian governments like North Korea. And to be governed like that would be in my opinion a lot worse than dealing with a porn addiction. To reiterate: I'm not saying porn is good, or should be protected. It's the justification I respectfully disagree with.
     
  12. feo1966

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    So let me get this straight:
    Western governments are using porn as a weapon to control us. But you think the governments should ban porn, thereby intentionally giving up control.

    And Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, North Korea just haven't figured out that they could exert more control over their people if they just allowed limitless porn...... Rather than banning it like they currently do
     
  13. Those of a certain ideological ilk encourage it because it creates the sort of person they want , the same way the Roman Empire encouraged bread and circuses.

    Your hyperbole made the second point silly, and I have pointed out to you, several times now, that in many ways iran allows more freedom of expression than most European nations. If you're not going to actually address what I am saying, little point in continuing this
     
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  14. What has it done to you? Culture is definitely a weapon, that is why the far left wisely concentrated on culture wars in the 1960s
     
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    But for it to be a weapon, it needs to be purposefully wielded by someone. It implies that someone (a government or organization) is somehow controlling, and using porn with the intent to cause harm. Is that your belief? Isn't it much easier to believe that it is simply spun out of control as a result of rapidly evolving technology in the free market? Clinically, we are just starting to scratch the surface of the depth and damage porn can cause. I don't think the higher powers have even reached the point of realizing that it could be used as a weapon, let alone conspired to use it as one.
     
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  16. it was encouraged by the so called cultural revolution of the 1960s and before- going back to the french revolution - because it helped break down the family and societal structure - revolutionaries believed, since Rosseau that if we could just reject all of the 'oppression' of civilization and start with 'clean state' we would have a second eden. so free love, free sex without marriage, and yes pornogrpahy were all part of that ideology. They are right it did help break down society - but the result has been a devastating crisis, millions of alienated, unhappy lives.

    It is not the result of the "free market" - it is the result of more and more lax rulings by activist judges and now it is a major industry with major influence.

    I agree - as i think everyone does..perhaps that is one point we can agree on :) ... technology aka the internet, has made one hundred fold worse - but it was never good to begin with.


    Second point:

    Imagine you're a country that's occupying another country. The men are stoic, brave, rebellious. They protect their daughters and wives and are making the occupation difficult. Short of killing all of the them how would you pacify them? Probably make drugs, sex 'entertainment' readily available. Hire traitors among them to write articles belittling the old ways, and say we should welcome our liberators.

    But if you found out your army - the one occupying the country, had a high number of soldiers who had difficulty concentrating, were passive, depressed and not much use as soldiers.. and then you found out they were all hooked on porn you would probably ban it from the army base.
     
  17. Many governments have been using culture as a weapon to encourage or discourage types of behavior...
     

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