Marriage is just for religious people?

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Is there any reason for a non-religious person to get married?

I was listening to recent a recent episode of Fresh Air where this former Jehovah Witness said she doesn't know why anyone gets married now that she's not religious. As a JW she was married but after leaving her religion and the ending of her marriage to her JW husband she says she will never get married. She lives with her boyfriend and has a child with him and says she feel better being with someone because she chooses to be not due to anyone saying she has to be or a paper telling her she has to be.
 
I think making a big deal out of a marriage would add an important commitment factor. It's not just religious people that hate when the spouse just decides to run off or cheat or whatever.
 
King Og of Bashan said:
Is there any reason for a non-religious person to get married?

I was listening to recent a recent episode of Fresh Air where this former Jehovah Witness said she doesn't know why anyone gets married now that she's not religious. As a JW she was married but after leaving her religion and the ending of her marriage to her JW husband she says she will never get married. She lives with her boyfriend and has a child with him and says she feel better being with someone because she chooses to be not due to anyone saying she has to be or a paper telling her she has to be.
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I used to be a 100%, without any doubts, believer in the Bible. Made a profession, active in church, and participated in all the bullshit games that goes along with it. But this is no longer the case. I think the Bible has great principles for living, but I believe only some of it. No longer believe all of it in a literal sense.

My attitude about Christianity and all religions is now cynical and jaded. I think there is a God but I don’t think he gives a flying fuck about us.

I say all that because I no longer believe that the marriage contract and ceremony is necessary. If you love someone and want to commit to them, then do so. Don’t need a piece of paper.

I think marriage as we’ve traditionally seen it, at least in America, is a creation of religion.
 
Infrasapiens said:
I suppose. I was baptised but I really don't like any kind of religion, it is use here by hypocrites as an excuse to abuse power.
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I agree with what you’re saying. It’s a means of trying to control and manipulate others.
 
Marriage is crucial!

Listen to Jordan Peterson as he discusses marriage. I’d do a poor job trying to summarize his thoughts so google his thoughts on marriage.


@Cool I Can Use Spaces , you should really listen to him. He bridges the gap between religion, science, evolution, psychology, and morality.

I’m an atheist and I am enthralled with his take on religion and have so much more respect for people of faith and faith itself now. And no, I’m not converted and never will.

If your on this site, you need Jordan Peterson in your life
 
drewharbour said:
If your on this site, you need Jordan Peterson in your life
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Well I disagree. I've listened to Jordan Peterson and I don't he's that great as some people make him out to be, nor is he as terrible as some people him out to be. He's just some guy with some opinions.

Sounds to me your religion is JP. I've heard religious people say you need some Jesus in your life yet you're saying we need JP in our.
 
King Og of Bashan said:
Well I disagree. I've listened to Jordan Peterson and I don't he's that great as some people make him out to be, nor is he as terrible as some people him out to be. He's just some guy with some opinions.

Sounds to me your religion is JP. I've heard religious people say you need some Jesus in your life yet you're saying we need JP in our.
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I understand your disagreement with Peterson and more so with my statement “you need”
Let me instead stand on my own two feet and qualify my opening statement “marriage is crucial”

Marriage is crucial as it is a formal commitment that you will persevere with this relationship though good and bad times. If you or your partner can walk anytime times get tough because the relationship isnt good anymore, all marriages would fail. Why? because all marriages have times tough enough to justify divorce. Something must bind you more than mutual benefit and enjoyment. If we (the couple) know that we are in it no matter what (withstanding abuse) then we can trust each other with truth and failures. Porn issues is one of those ugly truths. If marriage holds commitment even when two individuals don’t like each other very much then they have the chance to meet on the other end of that conflict and continue a happy, nay, beneficial union. Don’t distrust ancient practice just because it’s ancient. Marriage keeps couples and thus families working together for something greater than the sum of the parts. FAMILY.
We are on a Porn issue/addict website. Be careful considering all the beautiful women in the world that justify staying single. That’s the chase, that’s what Porn simulates.
If a women is worth devotion, prove it, tell her and others you mean it. Promise something, promise something big. Don’t flirt with infidelity and keep an eye out for another or a door open for escape. Commit and sacrifice.
Here is the natural question that arises; is Porn infidelity?
Does marriage require absolute fidelity and is that good/fair/realistic?
Is that why your asking about marriage, because you don’t like the idea of fidelity? That is why I hesitated and that is why I’m on this damn site dealing with these damn issues!

I’m not naive enough to think all married couples are better off than unmarried couples but it does show each other that no one else is above them. It means it is not a relationship that’s good enough for now, it means it’s a relationship good enough forever.

Let me please challenge you to listen to Peterson’s discussion on fatherhood.
Warren Farrell- the absolute necessity of fathers.
More ammunition for your theory I belong to a religion ;) but I wouldn’t suggest it if I didn’t think it had merit.
 
Marriage to some religions are seen as natural (marriage between non-believers) while some are considered sacramental (marriage between believers).

Some natural reasons to get married would be:

  • Marriage is a public declaration of ones commitment to another person. This public declaration is not just to tell society that this person loves that person but to also tell society that they are off limits to only each other.
  • Marriage also makes you accountable to live out your vows to the person you love. It sets boundaries which help give the relationship an identity within society, an identify which becomes known as a family once children are involved.
  • Marriage is also for the benefit of children so they can be raised, ideally, by two committed parents. The parents example of fidelity and commitment then teach the children what a healthy relationship looks like so then they can one day have and experience the same thing.

Cool I Can Use Spaces said:
I agree with what you’re saying. It’s a means of trying to control and manipulate others.
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You can literally say that about any ideology.
 
My sister always said she never wanted to get married because she said she liked knowing she could take off and leave whenever she wanted without any legal tie downs. So in her eyes marriage is a level of commitment she never wanted and has nothing to do with faith or religion.
 
When I’m in a better place financially and also mainly mentally from this PMO rubbish, I will definitely be marrying my partner. I personally have never thought of religion having anything to do with marriage, and rather it’s a binding contract that shows an absolute commitment as well as bond to each other.
 
So for as who belive in God marriage is big thing. Becaouse we confest in frot of the God. And that is the point. To confest in front of the God. Ask for His blessing, and help and guidance.
 
drewharbour said:
More ammunition for your theory I belong to a religion
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So you converted to a religion between your first and second post in this thread? I might listen to what Jordan Peterson has to say about fatherhood but I'm in no rush to do so. I never go out of my way to listen to him because I don't think he's worth it, but if I stumbled upon and had nothing to do and felt like listening to it I would.
 
Augie said:
  • Marriage is a public declaration of ones commitment to another person. This public declaration is not just to tell society that this person loves that person but to also tell society that they are off limits to only each other.
  • Marriage also makes you accountable to live out your vows to the person you love. It sets boundaries which help give the relationship an identity within society, an identify which becomes known as a family once children are involved.
  • Marriage is also for the benefit of children so they can be raised, ideally, by two committed parents. The parents example of fidelity and commitment then teach the children what a healthy relationship looks like so then they can one day have and experience the same thing.
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I don't know about this. Surely if you love the person you won't cheat on them whether you're married or not. You can let society know you're off-limits my telling them if they try anything. Even if you're single you're off-limits, no one should feel like they should get in a relationship if they don't want to. Also can you not be accountable without being married? People have ap's on this site without being married. You can be accountable if you want to whether you're married or not - you just need the right people to be accountable to. As for the benefit of the children, I think maybe a civil partnership is better. I did a little bit of research on cp and they seem to be a lot harder to get out of. In order to terminate one, you need to have had a cp for a whole year and you have to go to court for the termination. My understanding it's a lot easier to divorce. With marriage you can get divorced whenever you want and you just need to have a private meeting with a lawyer. Another thing with cp, it's also easier to start one. You don't have to have a ceremony or vows. You can just turn up in a t-shirt and jeans, sign the papers and as long as there's two other people as witnesses you have a cp. Of course, some people like to get dressed up and have a bit of a ceremony but it's not a requirment. With cp's you have the same legal rights and responsibilities as marriage. Now if the couple are constantly fighting and attacking one another, it might be better for the children if the relationship ended asap and if so marriage might be a better option, but I don't think you were making a case for it to be easier for commitments to be broken.
 
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