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Masterbation in moderation!!!!!!!!!???!!!

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Captain!, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Captain!

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    This story is from a chinese man, under an alias "Soaring Eagle".

    It first started out from when I first felt pleasure caused by friction movement and it was followed
    by what is best described as “once you pop you can’t stop”, I became addicted and was unable
    to pull myself out, the addiction has taken hold of me. The analogy of “Once you pop you can’t
    stop” is something that I see fairly often in the rebooting forums and is comparable to the
    bursting of a dam. Therefore the saying that no harm is caused from moderation is very much
    BS due to the fact that once you start it’s no longer possible to quit, just like the opening of the
    Pandora’s box.

    Physical symptoms
    My history of masturbation goes back for 15 years. At the time I loved sports, aside from
    prostatitis I hadn’t really experienced any discomfort in other areas of my body, although the
    need to pee frequently caused me great agony for a long time. In addition, there was a great
    change to my appearance in that I had severe acne, my complexion also gave me a decadent
    look, my eyes were dull, eye bags started to appear below my eyes despite my youth. At the
    time I also suffered from rhinitis, given the fragile state of my body and add on top the endless
    exhaustion of my essence (kidney essence), my body was never fully healthy. I’ve always felt
    greatly weakened after I have masturbated and felt the need to quit, after a couple weeks of
    abstinence and regular exercise my body would have recovered somewhat, following the
    recovery of my essence the degeneration started off anew with greater intensity. I would often
    have consecutive sessions and my health took a turn for the worse.
    Masturbation ruins a person in two ways; bodily and psychologically. After I’ve started to
    masturbate my emotional state changed greatly, I was easily agitated, I lacked patience,
    memory, concentration, and willpower all took a hit for the worse. The scary part at the time is
    that I was totally unaware of the harm that masturbation was causing. I had read about the
    harmlessness theory of masturbation on the magazines, this combined with the lack of
    willpower to quit masturbation only served to exacerbate my confusion. I had struggled a lot in
    the evil spiral of addiction but was unable to get out, the addiction carried with it a seemingly
    magical power that held me firm. At the time my record of rebooting was 28 days, rebooting was
    a topic that didn’t exist at the time in the media, instead, the media was filled with degenerative
    material. Young people at the time lacked the proper guidance with regards to rebooting.
    Because masturbation had contributed to a decline in my mental faculties, my grades suffered
    as a result, after high school I was only able to get into a regular college. My decline did not halt
    when I entered college but because I was sharing accommodation with other people at the time
    my masturbation became less frequent. In college I frequently played basketball, there was a
    period of time when my body was recovering very well, I no longer needed to pee frequently, my
    complexion improved and so did my temperament, I was once again self-confident. After college
    I started working and met a girl, in my proximity nobody told me that masturbation was harmful,
    nobody told me about the bad karma from sex before marriage. Everything people talked about
    was of a filthy nature which was reflected in the overall degenerative state of the society. The
    voice of rebooting could not be heard anywhere. If you would talk to the young people today
    about rebooting he would question your sanity and tell you the most important thing at hand is to
    enjoy life. This is a basic weakness of people; the fact that people would not quit a bad habit
    until they have hit rock bottom. At the time I was also likeminded to my peers, I didn’t think
    anything was wrong about premarital sex. Now looking back I had been very ignorant and
    shallow which was the very reason that I was unable to escape from my evil habit, up until my
    healthy took a nosedive for the worse.
    The 10 stages of rebooting
    Stage 1: This is when we realize that masturbation is affecting our healthy negatively and we
    have a thought about quitting. However, after reading about the harmlessness theories of
    masturbation we are not so determined anymore, we think that masturbation in moderation
    should do us no harm. This is the very initial stage of rebooting which is characterized by
    ignorance and naivety. The result: failure!
    Stage 2: We gain a small understanding of the harmful effects of masturbation, but not a
    thorough understanding. The result: failure!

    Stage 3: We begin to study other peoples’ experience of rebooting and we try to break our
    rebooting record. Although we have managed to set a new record on the number of rebooting
    days we are still unable to break out of the vicious cycle. The result: failure!
    Stage 4: This is the confusion stage, after numerous failures, we start to doubt ourselves. At this
    stage, we are not putting in enough of a fight, no fight no victory! The result: failure.
    Stage 5: Our body gives out signals once again and it’s clear that our health has deteriorated.
    Once again we make up our minds to quit and rely helplessly on the brute force method without
    learning about the correct methods. The result: failure.
    Stage 6: We begin to see the harmlessness theory for what it is, that it only works to trick the
    “children”. This is when we experience a breakthrough in our way of thinking but we still fail to
    understand why we are unable to quit masturbation. The result: failure.
    Stage 7: This is the stage of understanding, gained from reading vast amounts of rebooting
    articles, we begin to acknowledge spiritual teachings (such as Buddhism) which helps to
    increase our determination tremendously, we break the 100-day streak. The result: still failure.
    Stage 8: The thorough cleansing stage, we are starting to cleanse ourselves both consciously
    and unconsciously. Once this idea has entered our subconscious we easily break the 200-day
    barrier. There may come one day when we are browsing the internet and have our guard down
    or we have been slack in our rebooting studies, we therefore stumble near the finishing line. The
    result: still failure.
    Stage 9: We are almost there now and have become even more careful, our understanding
    takes on another level. We are no longer affected by dirty thoughts, what we see do not enter
    our intentions, what other people sees and like we react with caution. We are steady in our
    heart even amidst rough winds of thoughts. We have discarded the habit of masturbation
    altogether.
    Stage 10: “Nothing to begin with, how can nothing stir the dust”. We have come to the highest
    stage where all things returns to simplicity, just as the “sweeping monk” from Jin Yong’s martial
    art novels. Great skill is hidden in plain site, this is only achieved by the Master.

    I’ve seen many cases of failure during my year in the rebooting community, many brothers vow
    to reboot and not long afterward they would fail in their attempt. People that relapse becomes
    despondent, self-doubting and even decadent, some people may also give up. Many brothers
    choose to flee, believing that rebooting is not possible for them.
    The reason for rebooting is almost always due to deteriorating health, however, the attraction
    towards masturbation is strong and it binds us firmly. We are the puppet controlled by a puppet
    master, masturbation is like the enemy to which we suffer great casualties every time we fight
    him.
    After a relapse, many brothers would blame it on the lack of willpower and self-restraint, this
    reveals an inadequacy in our understanding. According to my experiences, relying solely on
    willpower and perseverance is extremely difficult, unless the person is some kind of rebooting
    hero who would rather die than to masturbate, these people are very few in number.
    Seeing people failing time and again, I’d like to point out a clear way for everyone, this method
    has helped me to free myself of the control that masturbation had over my life. There is a good
    saying: “Success has its ways, lest you have not yet found one.” When you fail it’s important to
    consider in depth on why we fail and not to carelessly blame it on the lack of willpower, if we act
    this way we will fail again in the future and thus being unable to free ourselves from this vicious
    cycle.
    I would like to spread a very important concept for everybody: brainwash! Everybody has
    probably heard of this term before. Those brothers who managed to stay clean were all
    thoroughly brainwashed.
    Many people may be biased towards the term brainwash and think that it’s no good. Actually
    brainwash is a neutral term that is faultless by itself, what matters is to apply it correctly.
    Depending on your own understanding, brainwashing can be understood as the purification of
    thoughts or the rewiring of thoughts. Many people have been looking at lots of porn, some
    people have been doing this for over a decade, these people are actually brainwashing
    themselves with filthy material and turning their minds into x-rated minds. Many people have
    read about the harmlessness theories with regards to masturbation, this is also a form of
    brainwashing where we allow erroneous beliefs to occupy our brain and render ourselves
    unable to distinguish right from wrong.
    Through brainwashing, a person may be totally transformed to another person, we need to
    make good use of this “brainwashing” tool in order to systematically cleanse the dirt from our
    minds and restore purity. People may have questions as to how to brainwash and with what. In
    our daily lives, we are subjected to many forms of brainwashing regularly, only this happens
    without us being aware of it; where we are fed with notions and values. According to principles
    in psychologies, when we are being fed a notion for long enough, we will naturally come to
    accept it. This is seen in advertising where we might dislike a certain advertisement from the
    beginning but as time passes we come to disilke it less and slowly to accept it over time. This
    process is a process of brainwashing.

    Below let’s talk about harmlessness theory and the theory of harm from restraining:
    Harmlessness theories tend to be very confusing and misleading because everybody knows
    that after marriage there will be sexual activities, why shouldn’t there be any such activities
    before marriage? Many people carry misconceptions in their thoughts and will ask such
    questions, they would also agree on the idea of harmlessness from moderation. Back in the
    days I was also confused by the harmlessness theory and deeply misled by it, these seemingly
    correct theories are highly damaging to teenagers and inexperienced brothers. These theories
    will allow the masturbators to sink deeper into the trap when the body is displaying symptoms it
    is past the time for regrets. In the many cases that I’ve seen, brothers would always criticize the
    harmlessness theory as they think that it has harmed them from the very start. Therefore, with
    regards to the harmlessness theory, one’s position must be firm and resolute, there is no room
    for doubts, or else it is impossible to become clean, one will only wander aimlessly in the vicious
    circle.
    The hole in the theory of moderation is ignoring the addictive quality of masturbation as it is
    highly addictive. Once hooked, you are no longer in control, like a breached dam. Many brothers
    would do it twice once they have relapsed, even indulging in several days at a time, impossible
    to hold back. Why is it that after marriage, it is allowed to have a sex life? In the post-marriage
    sex life, one must, of course, pay attention to “moderation”. Records since ancient times have it
    noted that sexual excess weakens the body and induces illnesses. Many brothers in the
    rebooting forums are already married, yet they still want to reboot, why? Because the body is
    greatly weakened and is stricken with many symptoms, one must reboot or it is all finished.
    Normally, I would advise those brothers with wives to have a good talk together in order to
    arrive at an understanding, this is a good approach to rebooting, or else the wife might misunderstand you and would easily lead to conflicts.
     
  2. Why the DUCK am i back to stage 4 after having a 90 days streak?

    This post is really correct. It’s like a dam. Once i relapse once, all hell breaks lose and you are no longer in control

    Also i’ve been brainwashed in a bad way by ppl saying masturbation is healthy normal, impossible to avoid etc. I hate these weak minded ppl. I need ppl to be strong about this, so we can all have better mindsets

    Gosh i have no self control once again. Why did i do this to myself
     
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  3. Captain!

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    Dear brother don't let the consequences of your relapse be in vain as you start to get back on track (on a side note the consequences are assymptomatic to make the individual more addictive). Remember these lessons you acquired to gain a scaffold on your mind to strengthen the fortress within you for walking this path, you are going to win this, you are not alone.
     
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  4. Thank you very much. What do you mean by the consequences are assymptomatic
     
  5. Captain!

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    It means that after you relapse the symptoms will not be much of visible, the pain and horror of masterbation will reflect on months or years to your body, that's why people get easily addicted and hooked, like smoking the symptoms to your body will not reflect as you smoke, people will think smoking does'nt do any harm, but it will reflect after a few years.
     
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  6. FY_33

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    Quitting M make me deppresed tho. But its reduced greatly, i have no morning Wood in 4 days. While in 2nd week it roared. Thanks for the article. It helps me committed hardmode til my first night of wedding. 37 days no MO and wont break!
     
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  7. okay thanks and ya unfortunately i experienced this in high school. 1.5-2 years after starting symptoms started showing
     
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