Mindfulness = edging

Some gurus and suposed mindfulness defenders teach things like this do deal with urges:

1 -Observe it when it rises
2 - acknowledge it - call it something
3 - breathe unto it - dont try to suppress it or get rid of it
4 - watch it until it falls

what i see from my own experience is this:


1 - observe it -> true experience = YOU EDGE IT when it rises, so it can rise even more
2 - Acknowledge it -> true experience = hey i acknowledge the addicted porn feeling - acknowledge that the brain LIKES IT

3 - Breathe unto it, dont suppress it or get rid of it -> true experience = Yes keep porn in your mind and breathe, and porn will have more oxygen too breathe

4 - watch it until it falls -> true experience = yes watch the porn emotion until you start fapping, after you fap, it falls

what makes more sense and it worked for this guy and many others, from nofap reddit:

Congrats on 20.

Don't allow even the possibility of failure or relapse enter your mind. All considerations of this are cut off from this moment forward. It is not an option. It's not even possible. Have total commitment and faith in your goal. You will achieve it no matter what. No. Matter. What. All your temptations thrown in a locked room with you for two weeks doesn't matter one bit. You still make the decisions. You are still in control. They can't make you watch porn, they can't make you touch your dick. Your brain will rationalize all kinds of nonsense. Just disregard it and go back to your commitment.

Become absorbed in doing something else. Don't fight it directly, but instead move your attention to something else that absorbs you. That's the best way. People who stay fixated on their cravings... smh. If you made an absolute commitment then you can't relapse, but why would you make it so difficult for yourself? I move off of any sexual thoughts or triggers immediately not because I'm going to relapse if I keep thinking about it, but because I know it's going to be amazingly frustrating and difficult and therefore NOT worth thinking about. I'm not going to relapse so it's totally pointless and masochistic to think about sex. I keep putting my attention on other things no matter what.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/3jef6u/just_a_tiny_bit_of_exposure_can_lead_to_relapse/


this part of the comment destroys the mindfull nonsense on pmo addictions:

Become absorbed in doing something else. Don't fight it directly, but instead move your attention to something else that absorbs you. That's the best way. People who stay fixated on their cravings... smh. I

Focus on something like someting you value, prayer, hobbie you like, exercise, music, ANYTHING except "staying fixated on their cravings" like:

1 -Observe it when it rises
2 - acknowledge it - call it something
3 - breathe unto it - dont try to suppress it or get rid of it
4 - watch it until it falls

THIS ONLY MAKES THINGS WORST.

Time to discredit this waste of time mindfulls exercises. IT might work for other things like stress management or anger issues, i dont know, but not for PMO