MO without the P? your thoughts?

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by TB4, Mar 23, 2021.

  1. TB4

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    Im not sure if this is the correct forum to post this on but here I go-
    A quick summary-
    I'm a to-be 15 year old,been addicted since i don't even know when,maybe 5?
    Anyhow I've been experimenting and it seems pmo-ing gives all the negative emotions we've read all about,but only mo-ing (with imagination) gives only the sense of fatigue while taking away a bit of brain fog and more importantly the hard af erections which are kinda painful at times,im not planning to MO within a set amount for eg only 4 times a week or all that crap, but if worst case scenario i had to is it better to endure the pain or mo without porn? (Im fairly confident that mo-ing won't lead me to porn, haven't tried enough to be sure though)
     
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  2. Slimjimjones

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    As you said, if you were going to go for it, make it impossible to watch P so you don't slip back into old ways. Since you're single and aren't thinking about any girl in particular, make sure A. the fantasies don't go to far and B. that your do it with a good mindset so you don't absoluteley destroy your confidence, which is what I think is a pitfall with M that you need to avoid.
    I don't personally think there is anything inherendtly wrong with it though.

    Cheers!
     
  3. MeTP

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    MO-ing will left you mentally and emotionally underdeveloped.
     
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  4. SunGazer

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    I would refrain from MO. If you’re going to do it, once a week at MOST. You’re young and won’t experience the negative consequences as much. If you do it, make sure you’re not death gripping. It can damage your blood vessels.
     
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  5. TB4

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    Im not gonna have sex before marriage (religion) so for years im not gonna have a girl that's for sure,right now i have Extreme trouble imagining anything,can barely imagine faces,so I don't think imagining too far will be a problem,and im uncertain about the mindset part,what exactly do you mean?
     
  6. TB4

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    Could you specify a bit more?
     
  7. TB4

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    I'll try to avoid doing it at all costs,im just saying if time comes when im suffering a lot from withdrawal symptoms or an extremely hard and painful erection (quite annoying) i'll only then go to it,i should be able to avoid death gripping since without p delaying isn't as pleasurable as directly o-ing so no problem there,but do you think it could have any other downsides? Mental or emotional?
     
  8. MeTP

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    Sure. With my utmost respect for you, with masturbation you are getting rid of tension that would otherwise support you building your own carrer, life, develop emotional maturity. Simply you are wasting your life energy only because you have habit of releasing tension. Sperm is connected with brain fluids, fapping will left you on constant deficit of energy. Furthermore, you are leaving doors open to porn addiction in your life. Your question by itself is a mirror of addiction speaking, not true you.

    Here is what I wrote once:

    "Urge is the emotional manipulation of the ego (in form of desire) to gain instant gratification. BUT it is simultaneously manifestation of energy in form of tension – urge (and relapse) begins with tension. Tension have to be transformed by giving it space, being present to it, breathing consciously and fully to it – feeling it's power - until it will dissolve and you will regain your power. This works always and this practice will lead you to increase life energy and vitality. Every tension (urge, desire) is charge of energy, manifestation of potency, announcement of flow of the energy. Energy can flow only between polarities, so every desire is itself reminder for you that you are alive, having polarities in you, between whom your energy wants to flow. Every urge, desire invites you to grow awareness. Power of every urge is the power of feeling – what you really just FEEL is vitality, etiquetted as urge, desire. As something that is unwanted, uncomfortable, or even harmful, something that should be erased or to do something to it.
    With this awareness, you are transforming your ego and power into greater self and presence. Porn addiction steal both your attention and your creative power. Conscious rebooting means reclaiming attention and energy.
    Basically, as human beings we have two powerful resources: our attention and our creative power (stored also in semen). We are powerful creative beings, with godlike power to create anything but this fact has been hidden from us to suck our energy and attention making us slaves (porn is the example) and build someone else empire. "Energy follows attention" is the basic Law of Energy - what you focus on, this thing grows.(...)
    Basis of puberty.
    With the moment of puberty, our undivided creative life energy starts to be stored in semen and we are starting to feel horny and interested in sex. This allows man to use it to:
    1) creation in terms of reproduction
    2) creation in terms of fulfilling creative arts, ideas, creative life etc.
    Sex is not about pleasure – sex is about survival. Fulfilling this mechanism gives reward to keep us reproducing. So called sexual energy (I don't like word 'sexual' because its so charged with useless meaning) is in deepest form true potential of endless creativity from the Source. It just manifests as sexual energy. Denying PMO addition is like denying sex. And that equals denying life, denying survival and prolonging of human species. In unconscious state of mind, sex is paired and equaled with ego that creates mechanism of control, dominance, manipulation and blind reproduction, with person being helpless to power of instinct and hormones, helpless to his focus being stolen by addiction, corporations or pixels. As teenagers we start to seek partner, SO etc. but this pattern of behavior may lead to unhappiness or frustration if we will not satisfy demands of unconscious reproductive patterns.

    This is the power stored in semen - semen is THIS powerful. With rebooting (that is form of celibacy) you are building, charging your energy. With energy build up, emotions and urges will be more visible because they will be boosted with this energy. Wasting semen energy is wasting life potential. Spiritual gift of rebooting from porn addiction is that keeping sexual energy stored will boost and increase every emotions, especially those stored in our subconscious mind that we are unaware. The purpose if this is to see them, being aware of them, gaining skills in observing and dissolving them, gaining more space – not acting upon them. With this practice, we are reclaiming our inner energy that flows more freely in our body and our life starts to be more easy, our ideas more light to manifest etc. Energy flow in body is distorted by mental blocks – dissolving mental blocks leads itself naturally to natural and vital, pure flow of energy. And the life becomes more easy to live by itself – its our natural state that we had once as kids. It doesn't mean life will not be difficult – but we will have more power and awareness to deal with life. Urges means that we have blocks in our mental environment
    With this power, we can use it consciously and with intention to create anything. Man that is not master of his attention and sexual energy is slave to them. Basically, as human beings we have two powerful resources: our attention and our creative power (stored also in semen)

    Emotional maturity demands going beyond anxiety – by learning to feel anxiety, not being scared by anxiety, by recognizing source of anxiety, disarming of defense egotistical mechanisms and growing consciousness. It demands not identifying with content of the mind that were grown and is based on our unconscious stages of life. This will lead to discover deeper and bigger part of self and identification with anxiety will start to dissolve. Otherwise you can end up going from one side of polarity and emotions to other side – bipolar disorder are sign of being suspended in emotional immaturity, sign of underdeveloped, emotionally immature personality. Anxiety is base of every mental block that is obstacle to energy flow in body. And in life, because outside manifestation is consequence of inner state, inner flow of life.
    Anxiety, shame, guilt is the main foundation of ego. Being emotionally underdeveloped equals being suspended in infant-era anxiety, coming from unconscious thinking and reasoning. This creates projection of fear onto situations – while in fact, situations that we are scared of are showing us that we have still anxiety in us. In other words, we are still suspended in infant-era reactions. It's called being infantile. It's base of coward mentality, even coward to ourselves.
    Without developing inner space to tension, our reactions to the world will stay in kid-like emotional reactivity, closing way to more accurate reaction according to circumstances. Or surrendering to urges. The sign of maturity is ability to endure tensions to react, ability to wait patiently, it is being aware/mindful/present. Conscious rebooting and transformation will lead to grow inner presence and awareness that will fruit in emotional maturity."

    You are on this forum for a reason, I remember when I was at your age - at t his age I was aware that I have problem with MO but I was unable to break this loop because of lack of knowledge. Now, being 34 I clearly see that every single (P)MO were useless, were wasting my creative potency. Listen to advice of others, otherwise one day you will curse the day you started MO. Because you started at so young age, you probably don't even know how it is to feel normally.
    Respect young man, be wise, choose wisely !
     
  9. TB4

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    That's a lot to digest, I'll come around to fully understanding it in a while, that definately changed my perspective and I'm thankful, but could you (in simpler terms) explain,not the philosphy of energy or human nature,but what I as a modern day teenager should do? And you're correct when you say I don't know what it is to feel normal because all my life (as far as I can remember) I've been depressed anxious and incredibly non-creative,the trap of pmo has been with me as far as I can remember and all I don't know what exactly im gonna do about it,any life advice?
     
  10. MeTP

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    Surely I guess it's a lot, take it easy at your own tempo. You can ask me further questions in case of need :)
    I will try to answer what is possible for you to do, because modern world is so tempting and full of hooks to our focus. I just need time to sense answer, if you want or need, you can PM me - maybe in private conversation we will be able to figure out solutions for you :)
     
  11. scottb

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    It's good if you can masturbate without porn,
    And nothing's wrong with masturbation if you are doing it without porn.
     
  12. TB4

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    I appreciate your offer but dm-ing won't help xD, although your phisophy is quite interesting and i believe it'll change how i view things and for that I thank you
     
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  13. Ekhangel

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    Well, it clogs your drains. AND makes you look funny if you're caught in the act. And basically makes you a slave to a pointless personal habit if you happen to get addicted to doing it regularly. Also, due to the Coolidge Effect your mind will start generating "porn" through your imagination anyway, so whether you use external visual stimuli or not doesn't make much difference. The perverted porn scenarios will be "directed" by your imagination based on anything your mind observes in your surroundings. That hot lady that served you at the boutique today? That hostess on the plane? Your female classmates? They all can be actors in your mind's porn, and chances are high you soon will be "watching" it with your penis in your hands in front of the washbasin or in your chair for dozens of minutes on end, wasting your time, leading to potential humiliation and making you feel like a perv afterwards (that is: if you are a human being with a sense of morality developed to the point of realising that imagining you screwing that hostess [who probably has a husband or boyfriend] is just wrong).

    Don't go this way.
     
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  14. TB4

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    I ignored that guy that on purpose xD but I absolutely agree with you,my question is only for the worst case scenario
     
  15. Ekhangel

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    Yeah, I know. Just wanted to set things straight. Because there are people in these forums who go around saying how MO is ok and healthy, and how PMO is the actual problem.

    Well, it’s each to his own at the end of the day anyway. Responding to your OP: I wouldn’t MO. Comparing this to chronic alcoholics, it’s like “this one glass of wine only”.
     
  16. scottb

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    I'm myself a semen retention practitioner.
    And I haven't watched any porn for almost 7 months now because porn adds some more strong sexual fantasies in your mind which makes it likable for u to relapse next time more quicky.
    My longest streak is of 41 day(nofap hard mode) which was recently broken through just masturbation.
    Whenever I have relapsed it was only through masturbation not porn because porn adds more garbage to the brain and it has shown drugs like effects to brain as well.
    Ever since I've made this choice that even if I'll relapse it will be through masturbation and not porn, my streaks have actually got more longer and more clean.
    Hope this helps
    Peace.
     
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  17. TB4

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    That's intresting,i might actually adapt that idea, thanks
     
  18. MeTP

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    Hi @TB4
    After a few days came to me this response. Because you are young, you may be horny (full of energy) and it will be normal because as a young man you have much energy. The best thing in your age would be simply :

    1) for the body: to keeping one workout routine to transform excess of energy (gym, running, martial arts). Tiring your body will help you to keep good health and maintain calm mind. Physical training and hormones (especially testosterone) are interconnected and crucial to keep good health for men.

    2) For the mind: developing awareness about what is your purpose (be it just keeping workout routine or passing exams), how to develop strong character as a man. How you can develop bigger focus and productivity, what kind of resource focus is. With addiction, you may have attention deficit disorder. Lack of focus means inability to complete tasks and goals in life. By this you will learn to channel your sexual energy, by focusing it, to fulfill your goals in life. Second crucial area of developing healthy personality.

    3)For the spirit: introduce regular meditation to maintain good mental health, awareness. This practice will help you develop strength and awareness to cope with stressful situations, challenges and obstacles in life. This is the third crucial thing. Meditation helps further to train focus and concentrate energy.

    I'm signaling to you things that I would advise to my younger self. If you will take a serious look at this, you will be grateful for yourself after some years, because these efforts will grow continually into bigger fruits. I will not give you answers ready to read - it may be your challenge and adventure to discover what your life is about and how to develop yourself. What you focus on, growns - what you don't, disappear. This is law of growth in life.

    Good luck !
     
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  19. TB4

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    Incredible advice, but could you explain what you mean by #2? That didn't make sense at all to me, will definately do the other stuff though
     
  20. Rationaliser

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    I used to MO mostly without P at around your age, and it did hold me back in major ways that I could be benefitted in, as listed by @MeTP. What you're throwing down the drain is a very precious resource.

    At least do 30 days of no PMO. You'll see the changes.
     
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