Mood and rate of recovery - d2 receptors and deltafosb

[muted]

Hi guys!
I’m interested in the rate of dopamine receptor regeneration. I’m already quite a long time without pmo but I still feel the lack of willingness to take different activities and lack of pleasure from different things like music, etc. Is already much better than a few months ago, but still to some extent teases me, what happened already tiring.
Maybe it's a deltafosb issue? Maybe it hasn’t dissipated to such a degree that it is possible to feel the pleasure of some everyday things? As I said, my mood is no longer bad, but it is still insufficient.

 

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Hi guys!
I’m interested in the rate of dopamine receptor regeneration. I’m already quite a long time without pmo but I still feel the lack of willingness to take different activities and lack of pleasure from different things like music, etc. Is already much better than a few months ago, but still to some extent teases me, what happened already tiring.
Maybe it's a deltafosb issue? Maybe it hasn’t dissipated to such a degree that it is possible to feel the pleasure of some everyday things? As I said, my mood is no longer bad, but it is still insufficient.

Delta fos b can affect our moods? I thought it is esssentially those addiction pathways?

Also, I read somewhere it takes about 42 days before they start breaking (the delta fos b)

 

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Yeah man delta fos B is what keeps the addiction going, and according to some scientists, the excessive amounts are gone in about 3 months. Dopamine receptors, on the other hand, take a long time to regrow/reactivate. Studies done on rats that were given cocaine suggest a recovery time of appr. 1-1.5-2 years depending on the severity of the addiction.
Good news is that all rats on coke managed to either completely heal their receptors or returned to 80% of functioning.

Dopamine receptors and lack of dopamine binding is what is causing your low mood, no doubt about it. Recovery seems to correlate with how long it takes to clear PAWS symptoms. Makes sense.

You'll feel those good vibes again eventually, anhedonia/depression won't last forever if you're serious about recovery.

 

[muted]

Delta fos b can affect our moods? I thought it is esssentially those addiction pathways?

Also, I read somewhere it takes about 42 days before they start breaking (the delta fos b)

How can you feel the pleasure of simple everyday things since your reward system is accustomed to high dopamine levels, what does deltafosb do?

I read that the receptors regenerate relatively quickly. Sometimes I have moments in which I feel great pleasure from simple things. In that case, how can it work if supposedly receptors need about 2 years to regenerate?
Referring to this, one can give an example of people who, after giving up their pmo for 90 days, feel much better after this time.

 

[BeanBurrito]

I don't think anyone (including doctors, psychiatrists, neuroligsts, etc) truly understands exactly what's going on during the withdrawal process.
I've seen a lot of different explanations and theories but in my opinion trying to understand on a scientific level what's happening to our brains right now is an impossible task.

Just know that eventually (and it can take much longer than 90 days) your reward system will return to normal and you will be able to feel pleasure, joy, et. This fact is supported by many, many accounts.

The brain is definitely healing even if we (or at least I) don't fully understand how.

 

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How can you feel the pleasure of simple everyday things since your reward system is accustomed to high dopamine levels, what does deltafosb do?

I read that the receptors regenerate relatively quickly. Sometimes I have moments in which I feel great pleasure from simple things. In that case, how can it work if supposedly receptors need about 2 years to regenerate?
Referring to this, one can give an example of people who, after giving up their pmo for 90 days, feel much better after this time.

Hmmm not sure if you’re asking me or telling me, but I think delta fos b is what makes us go. I’m thinking in a normal/balanced person, delta fos b is released in our normal activities so that we are willing to do it again next time. It sucks because when we build our addiction, these delta fos b stuff are being released creating these addicted pathways that fire off strongly for that specific type of stimulus in which it was repeatedly built upon.

I don’t feel the pleasures of everyday things. I feel depressed even though I know I shouldn’t be but am, unwillingly and my emotions/reactions are very blunted as a result of that.

You know, I’ve read that receptors heal in matter of weeks. Then it doesn’t explain these numb feelings and plethora of negative symptoms, unless they are withdrawals. If you have great pleasures from things then don’t, it sounds like mood swings. I very rarely rarely get those moments. Those moments remind me of what I can be. Those moments are clear without anxiety, but they last a minute, I used to get them randomly far and wide and now I notice I haven’t gotten one since 3 months and before that was a few months so I think I something is happen, rather than just feel straight shit zombie. Also, it could be you adjusting your chemical levels, because I’m sure you know, it’s a roller coaster.

I don't think anyone (including doctors, psychiatrists, neuroligsts, etc) truly understands exactly what's going on during the withdrawal process.
I've seen a lot of different explanations and theories but in my opinion trying to understand on a scientific level what's happening to our brains right now is an impossible task.

Just know that eventually (and it can take much longer than 90 days) your reward system will return to normal and you will be able to feel pleasure, joy, et. This fact is supported by many, many accounts.

The brain is definitely healing even if we (or at least I) don't fully understand how.

Can’t a pmo addiction model just be somewhat laid out on the basis of another addiction model? I’ve heard many times they act the same. Albeit I’m sure there are much more chemicals at play here, since we are messing with our bodies from exertions of these sexual chemicals.

 

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Yeah man delta fos B is what keeps the addiction going, and according to some scientists, the excessive amounts are gone in about 3 months. Dopamine receptors, on the other hand, take a long time to regrow/reactivate. Studies done on rats that were given cocaine suggest a recovery time of appr. 1-1.5-2 years depending on the severity of the addiction.
Good news is that all rats on coke managed to either completely heal their receptors or returned to 80% of functioning.

Dopamine receptors and lack of dopamine binding is what is causing your low mood, no doubt about it. Recovery seems to correlate with how long it takes to clear PAWS symptoms. Makes sense.

You'll feel those good vibes again eventually, anhedonia/depression won't last forever if you're serious about recovery.

Okay, so, that 80% healing is scary. Because we can definitely burn some receptors because of novelty and Coolidge affect

 

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Okay, so, that 80% healing is scary. Because we can definitely burn some receptors because of novelty and Coolidge affect

Yes, but I wanna bet 80% of functioning is still much better than during addiction since that's when neurotransmitters take over from their own receptors. How much receptors are lost is beyond my knowledge but enough to cause some serious problems in case of severe addiction. Besides, can't really compare a rat's brain to the human brain in terms of resilience. Also need to consider that cocain is a substance. According to people like Gary Wilson behavioral addiction is different. With the right approach the brain should have no problem bouncing back, albeit over a long period of time.

 

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Yes, but I wanna bet 80% of functioning is still much better than during addiction since that's when neurotransmitters take over from their own receptors. How much receptors are lost is beyond my knowledge but enough to cause some serious problems in case of severe addiction. Besides, can't really compare a rat's brain to the human brain in terms of resilience. Also need to consider that cocain is a substance. According to people like Gary Wilson behavioral addiction is different. With the right approach the brain should have no problem bouncing back, albeit over a long period of time.

True, I’ve heard that behavioral addiction is different from drug addiction. Idk maybe I’m overthinking things? Or am I?? No definite answer but to go 365 days of nofap

 

[BeanBurrito]

rue, I’ve heard that behavioral addiction is different from drug addiction. Idk maybe I’m overthinking things? Or am I?? No definite answer but to go 365 days of nofap

That's the conclusion I came to. I'm also the kind of guy who really needs to understand what's happening. At the beginning of the reboot, I spent a lot of time trying to research and find out just what is happening from a neurological perspective when our brains are going through withdrawal. I also spent a shitload of money on different supplements with the idea of healing dopamine receptors and accelerating the reboot process. In the end, it really ended up just being a waste of time and money.

I've come to the conclusion that the only real thing that is going to fully heal our brains is time. I've stopped trying to dig into what exactly is happening in our brains, because honestly in the end it really doesn't matter. I don't think there's much we can do other than buckle in and just go along for the ride. Of course things there are things that I think can universally be classified as helpful like exercise, meditation, eating healthy, etc. But at the end of the day, in my opinion, we just have to accept the fact that our brains are healing and that it's going to be rough for a little while.