More Feminism and Gender Politics Feedback Needed

Discussion in 'NoFap Technical Support and Feedback' started by Stacy31, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. Stacy31

    Stacy31 Fapstronaut

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    Wow...

    WOW...

    I have been on this site for less than 2 days, and I am simply astounded by how many blatantly hostile, sexist comments I've come across. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, entirely, as this is a site for people, like myself, that have become addicted to one of the most sexist forms of media in the world, but that is why I believe that education about feminism and identity politics is important for NoFap. I mean, learning how to identify refute all the brainwashing that we've absorbed through our careers as porn addicts, as well as just general members of society, would be a very potent tool to aid us in recovery.

    Because yes, porn does fuck with the Coolidge Effect, as well as rewire arousal response and how our brain reacts to dopamine, but it also does something that is equally bad! Porn trains people to believe and behave in ways that directly inhibit their ability to form relationships with the people we want to be in relationships with. If you've spent thousands of hours hearing paid actresses or actors talk about sexual acts, but spent only a fraction of that actually interacting with real people, with real feelings and issues, etc. then you're going to be at a HUGE disadvantage for actually forming a healthy relationship.

    BUT! If, instead, during the course of your recovery you are exposed to a way that will help you deprogram, as well as learn more about the world, and the people in it, you will be much better off, as well as better equipped to successfully recover.

    So PLEASE!

    PLEASE add more feminist and identity politics content, everyone! Porn addiction is NOT JUST a neurological phenomenon, it is also a SOCIAL PHENOMENON, and every single fapstronaut would benefit GREATLY from engaging with feminism and other gender and identity politics. Because guess what? Recovery will be impossible if you do not change as a PERSON, and what better way to change as a person, a person who is addicted to PORN, than by engaging with its direct opposite? If you can refute the ideas propagated by porn, then you can better defeat porn itself, as well as all the bullshit that might have pushed you towards it.

    And, as a last disclaimer, I'm not saying that everyone needs to agree with these ideas, but I absolutely believe that exposure to these ideas would help everyone here redefine their relationship to gender, to sex, and to their individual roles in the world.

    So, I will do my best to educate some people, but I cannot be alone. This is a potent strategy, and this site, and the movement it supports, will be a hollow shell of what it could be if it does not engage with what is a core issue of porn addiction, which is people's relationship to other people: i.e. to gender, sexuality, ethnicity, etc.
     
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  2. Monster Carrot

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    That's not the purpose of this website. We are trying to discipline ourselves to stop fapping, not to learn about feminism and identity politics.
     
  3. Runtilmylegsdropoff

    Runtilmylegsdropoff Fapstronaut

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    I'm glad feminazi's have been exposed; it isn't anything to be proud of.
     
  4. Runtilmylegsdropoff

    Runtilmylegsdropoff Fapstronaut

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    Also, like it or not, there's only 2 genders.
     
  5. Stacy31

    Stacy31 Fapstronaut

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    Y'all are missing my point. My point is that learning about these things will help people in their recovery from pornography addiction because it will give them another perspective to use to find motivation, to avoid relapse, to move towards self improvement, etc.

    Maybe not for everyone, but I would say the exact same thing for the religious content. Religious content sure as hell would not help me, but obviously it helps a lot of people. So, guess what? Learning more about gender and sexuality will also help a lot of people, too! More than you would expect, I can already tell.
     
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  6. Runtilmylegsdropoff

    Runtilmylegsdropoff Fapstronaut

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  7. Deadlihood

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    lmao :emoji_joy:
     
  8. MrBony

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    Don't like feminism. I don't think its a solution for us either.

    More than obsessing over respecting women (especially feminists who are offended by masculinity itself) we need to focus on respecting ourselves. Just look how many hours of our lives have we wasted in gutter energies, fapping away instead of living. Think what we could have done with our time had we never started porno fapping. When people talk of the superman effect of NoFap, they speak of benefits that we have robbed ourselves of for years. I am 45 and have been a porno fap monster for about 15 years. The detrimental effects are manifold and I regret ever having started it.

    A philosophy that demonizes the masculine is NOT going to help. Once the fapping stops we can be great men... men of honour. We can work on ourselves as I see so many guys on this forum doing. Let's embrace our masculine spirit and maximize it.

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  9. I consider myself to be a humanist, I try to have an equal amount of respect for everyone. I'll add that I'm embracing my masculinity but I don't see that being in conflict with treating everyone with basic respect.
     
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  10. overclocked

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    No, it does not. Learning information and concepts is useless. Only real life experience will help the dysfunctional addict to heal.

    Also I don't know what you are talking talking about. Sexism? Where?
     
  11. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    I think a sub-forum for that is fine however. If it helps reboots fine too - but simply lecturing people - no.
     
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  12. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Fapstronaut

    please do not. Please stick with the purpose of this site. I think feminism is one of the most destructive ideological movements in human history I don't want to be lectured about it here.
     
  13. Stacy31

    Stacy31 Fapstronaut

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    Y'all have no idea what feminism even is. Again, though, not sure why I'm surprised.

    Still, there have been a few good points:
    1. If I think this is important, I should post about it.
    2. A subforum is a better place for this discussion. I'll try self-improvement, as that seems decently close to a "motivation" category.

    So, when I have time I'll throw up some stuff. Until then, I guess I'll just throw out a question: if your actions are not driven by ideas, what are they driven by?
     
  14. noonoon

    noonoon Fapstronaut

    Oh, Lord! Another do-gooder!

    Many of us understand your gender politics entirely and completely. We've rationally considered and rejected most of it as nonsensical wishful thinking. We understand your use of the word "gender" and "sex" but prefer our own, tradition use of the words. It's not about education. It's about premise. We think you're simply wrong. A man cannot wish himself woman.

    You're welcome here as is any trans-sexual, homosexual, or any sexual. We'll help you as best as we can. We hope you'll try to help us too. Just stop trying to tell us what to think! Stop trying to disciple us. Take your religion somewhere else. I'll not try to force you to become Christian and you don't try and force me to become Progressive.
     
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  15. DogDaysOfLife

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    This thread: why nofap is a sausage-fest despite porn addiction affecting both sexes.
     
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  16. MrBony

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    Oh but FEMINISM? Seriously?

    It is absolutely NOT what they claim it is. They say they want equality but have it already. They are men SHAMERS. I Think the members of this forum will obtain nothing at all from being shamed.

    I understand your intention: You want us to remember that women are worthy of respect and use that concept as a motivation to not masturbate all over them. Yeah fair enough.

    Just not feminism.
     
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  17. A common phrase I keep seeing here is "after _ days, I finally started seeing women as people" spoken as if they didn't already see women as people. That's all I have to say about it...
     
  18. What is it with you guys with the knight avatars?
     
  19. This topic made me realize how much the community is redpilled about feminism. That's cool.
     
  20. noonoon

    noonoon Fapstronaut

    I can't speak for anyone else, but as for me it is a reminder that this is a spiritual battle against evil. Mine is a painting of Saint Michael the Archangel.

    Saint Michael is the patron saint of soldiers and is the leader of the armies of good against evil, according to Catholic tradition.
     
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