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Movies with sexual content

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Deleted Account, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. A question to PAs, how do you deal with movies that have sexual, triggering content but are not porn? How do you know if you are watching a movie as an excuse to be triggered or if you are watching it for the plot and characters, despite being triggering? Does it depend on the level of your reboot? Does it depend on knowing beforehand that the movie will be triggering and being able to make a choice? Is it about the intention to see something triggering?

    I just saw my SO add the movie 'Career Opportunities' to his watchlist, a romantic comedy I have never seen, but the movie cover has Jennifer Connelly in a low cut white tank top revealing her noticeable cleavage. There is also this gif that I have already seen all over the internet that apparently comes from this movie with Jennifer Connely in that low cut tank top on a riding horse. I checked some reviews on the movie and the majority is guys saying the only reason to watch this otherwise average movie is Jennifer Connely's 'personality'. But I don't know if horny guys are really the most objective basis for deciding if this movie is soft porn disguised as a movie or an actual watchable movie. My SO apparently added this after watching a music video with scenes from the movie and he is the 'romantic' one of us, often wanting to watch romantic movies together that don't necessarily have sexual content. So I'm not sure what to make of this, even if a movie seems appealing for non-sexual reasons, would you as a recovering or already recovered PA intentionally expose yourself to triggers? We always end up arguing over this as he says he doesn't want to limit expressing his interests and hobbies just because he might see something triggering, which I can understand, but I don't know still where to draw the line between having to abstain from porn forever as triggering content and passively seeing 'porn' with the intention to engage in a hobby or interest. What do you think?
     
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  2. palindromo

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    First time it's necessary a total abstination from every triggers , also movies with erotic contents.
    With months triggers become manageable and it's no more necessary to filter all the contents.
    He knows if he can watch such content or not
     
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  3. BreakingDawn

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    Are you two on the same page to do this reboot?

    Say something like this, "I love you, and I want this reboot to be 100% successful. I think movies like this have sexual images close enough to porn that I'm not comfortable watching it right now. Can we put this on hold and revisit it *after* a successful reboot?"

    If my wife said something like that, it would be the biggest no brainer in the world. Renewing our intimacy is way more important than any movie I might find "interesting."
     
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  4. dandausa

    dandausa Fapstronaut

    For me, HBO/Showtime style shows are generally about me seeking out the soft-core porn. I give an excuse that I want to watch it for the plot. But I often watch porn for the plot as well, it's just more honest about the sex it doesn't have to sneak around like R-rated movies, so that's why it's normally how I start to give myself enough rope to hang myself.

    Generally the progression, reddit looking for triggering gifs, then IMDB to find something triggering, then soft-core R rated movies, then rationalization, I want them to go all the way, they are just teasing me. Then porn because I feel like porn is just being honest and they go from teasing me to all the way. So I guess for me movies that have topless/sex scenes are generally about that scene.

    On some reflection: wow they're good at this. They know how to get guys to spend money for a little titillation.
     
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  5. Psalm27:1my light

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    It’s actually great you recognize this. Unfortunately addicts lie to themselves more than they lie to anyone else. They may actually believe they want to just watch “ that” particular movie, but underneath is the voice/hope that they will get to see something. As my husband has gotten more sobriety, he has gotten far more careful and diligent about not exposing himself to triggering, or possibly triggering content. He has learned to ask me if something is a normal/healthy thought or could it be his addiction. Each relapse has shown him how vulnerable he is and how insidious this addiction is. Usually it sneaks up when he’s doing really well! Same with social media, he chose to get rid of all of it, then got rid of internet completely. So, what he’s done is pin pointed what causes his struggle, what makes it easy to relapse, how to handle or avoid those situations. I was shocked when he told me he was getting rid of internet, lol. However, it’s his recovery so if that’s what it takes, then that’s what we do.
     
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  6. But isn't this more about you looking for simple entertainment from something you already know has actual sexual content in it? I was talking more about pursuing hobbies and interests that are clearly not sexual in nature and that potentially come with more or less subtle triggers. I am thinking of the movies Blade Runner 2049 and Ex Machina for example, two science fiction movies that have brief scenes of female nudity. If you were passionate about the science fiction genre, would you not watch those movies knowing that they contain triggers?

    I might have caused a bit of confusion with the thread's title and asking both generally about media with sexual content and more subtle triggers that are not necessarily 'objectively' sexual. If for example someone was triggered by Scarlett Johansson, would they as an Avengers movie fan just not watch The Avengers movies, a family friendly action-comedy, because it has Scarlett Johansson in a leather suit? Like the movie I was talking about, it is a romantic comedy, released to age 6 or older in my country, it just happens to overly sexualize the main actress, without showing anything graphic/nudity. My SO is really into cars for example, and he watches any movie about cars because that's just something he's passionate about. That also includes the Fast and Furious franchise, which is known to always have an obligatory ass or cleavage shot.

    Maybe this is more related to the level of recovery, as I theorized earlier. If someone's mentality is already 'poisoned' by porn and their brain is 'trained' to always see 'porn' in every attractive female, then that's something that can be 'un'trained. Unlike being triggered by actual pornography which will always be like a drug to any porn addict, no matter if actively addicted or in recovery, and therefore has to be always avoided. But then again, some porn addicts are addicted to sexy pictures of women, not necessarily graphic depictions of intercourse...

    I don't know if any of this makes sense, since I'm not an addict myself, but that's just something I've thought about.
     
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  7. dandausa

    dandausa Fapstronaut

    I can see this. For instance, for me I enjoy crossfit or beach volleyball and sometimes I can watch the crossfit games or womens beach volleyball and not lust at all even though the outfits women wear in it can be pretty revealing. But sometimes I can't. It's kind of where I'm at emotionally/mentally. If I'm doing really well mentally I watch it because I love the sports. Other times I have looked it up because I was using it as edging behavior. I guess it comes down to where you are at in recovery like you say.

    I also really liked Westworld for the plot, but there was that same pull. I watched it because I loved the show but I also found myself getting pulled in by all the nudity as well and I wasn't always sure which I was going with. Sometimes I would skip the nudity scenes, sometimes I wouldn't. My heart is just really deceitful/confusing, sometimes it doesn't have ulterior motives and other times it has ulterior motives.
     
  8. I guess the longer you are in recovery, the better you can distinguish between what you want and what your addiction wants.
     
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  9. Trobone

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    If you're watching a movie specifically because of sexual acts in it you want to see - it's probably not a good idea - and I avoid it 100%. It's the addicts brain trying to find loopholes - "well it's not really porn" type things.

    If you're watching a movie and it happens to come on, I try to avert my eyes and instead focus on my wife instead.
     
  10. Psalm27:1my light

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    This^^^ many times the addict doesn’t even realize at first, it’s his addict talking. As they get further into recovery they may or may not know it’s the addict, and that’s why they need accountability partners. This is also why open communication with their so can be incredibly helpful. Many times my husband will run a thought past me and I will tell him if it’s a healthy thought or addict thought. For me, it’s very easy to recognize, but for him it isn’t always so.
     
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  11. I also think the problem here is that being sexually triggered is on some level a normal, natural reaction. An alcoholic for example will not really feed his addiction by just being in a bar and seeing and smelling alcohol. They will stay sober as long as they don't drink alcohol, which is a conscious/deliberate and controllable action. Whereas a porn addict still has natural instincts and an attractive woman in revealing clothes will instinctively trigger the same area in the brain that is triggered when feeding the addiction. I guess the level of 'triggerdness' aka the amount of dopamine released is much lower compared to seeing naked people perform sexual acts (porn), which means the willpower necessary to resist feeding the addiction is much less too. So I think again, it comes down to learning techniques as part of recovery to deal with 'unintentional' (natural) triggers in a healthy way, for example by focusing on something else in a movie scene/looking away or focusing on the technical aspects of the sport rather than the women's bodies. It's probably the combination of learning how to deal with natural triggers and also being mentally distant enough from the active part of the addiction to know when the addiction is taking over.

    Maybe this is redundant but I just tried to make sense of it for myself.
     
  12. Trobone

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    You don't see alcoholics in bars very often for a reason. For some, simply being INSIDE a bar is a middle circle relapse. For others it's just a not smart thng to do if you're focused on recovery and sobriety.
     
  13. I think it wasn't a good analogy. I'm sure ex alcoholics can still be triggered by just being inside a bar, I just meant they are not actively feeding their addiction in a way that a porn addict is feeding their addiction by unintentionally seeing a natural trigger.
     
  14. Trobone

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    I see you're point. I bet they would argue that smelling it or seeing it or seeing others drink it would feed their addiction and be a middle-circle warning sign.
    They would say there is no such thing as an ex-alcoholic. No matter how long they've been sober.
     
  15. Well, sounds like I still have a lot to learn about addiction. But that's why I'm here. :D
     
  16. Psalm27:1my light

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    This is exactly why so few ever get free from this particular addiction. It’s tied to a natural response. I think the only comparison would be someone who overeats/ has eating disorders. They can’t just stop eating they have to rediscover a healthy relationship With food
     
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  17. BreakingDawn

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    This resonates. I still get triggered, but not by p. Instead, I practice getting triggered by my wife. Seeing her, especially in well fitting clothes, triggers me the way seeing images of naked women on the internet triggered me.

    It's been quite the journey to reorient all of those processes away from the fake stuff and onto her, my real woman.

    As she said the other night, "This is what wives are for!" P really spoils the magic of relationships.
     
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