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Evidence please for your claims

 

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Proof for this Opinion (there is another):

The ‘awrah of a man is from navel to knees. The proof for this is the following hadīth of the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam):
فإن ما تحت السرة إلى الركبة من العورة
“So verily, what is between the navel to the knees is of the ‘awrah.”

And also the Prophet said that when someone marries off his slave or laborer he is not to look at what is between the navel and knees for:
فإنما بين سرته وركبته من عورته
“For what is between the navel and knees is from the ‘awrah.”

Takhrīj: Reported by Ad-Dāraqutnī in his Sunan 1/132 and Al-Bayhaqī in his Kubrā 2/229.

The following hadīth proves that the thigh is from the ‘awrah of a man:

غَطِّ فَخِذَكَ فَإِنَّهَا مِنْ الْعَوْرَةِ
The Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, “Cover your thigh, for certainly it is of the ‘awrah.”

Takhrīj: This hadīth is reported by At-Tirmidhī who said, “It is Hasan.” Al-Bukhārī in his Sahīh in Mu’allaq form, though he weakens it due to mingling in its chain in his Tārīkh Al-Kabīr 2/248. Imām Ahmad in his Musnad 3/479, Abu Dāwūd 4014 and Al-Hāfith Ibn Hajr responds to those who criticize its chain in his Taghliq at-Ta’liq by quoting many different follow up chains. Imām Al-Bukhārī states in his Sahīh, “It is reported from Ibn ‘Abbas, Jarhad, Muhammad ibn Jahsh that the Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said the thigh was ‘awrah.”

Also the hadīth of Ma’mar reported in the Musnad of Imām Ahmad that goes:

حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ حَدَّثَنَا حَفْصُ بْنُ مَيْسَرَةَ عَنِ الْعَلَاءِ عَنْ أَبِي كَثِيرٍ مَوْلَى مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ جَحْشٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ جَحْشٍ خَتَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَرَّ عَلَى مَعْمَرٍ بِفِنَاءِ الْمَسْجِدِ مُحْتَبِيًا كَاشِفًا عَنْ طَرَفِ فَخِذِهِ فَقَالَ لَهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ خَمِّرْ فَخِذَكَ يَا مَعْمَرُ فَإِنَّ الْفَخِذَ عَوْرَةٌ


The Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) came into the Masjid and Ma’mar was uncovering a part of his thigh. So the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, “Cover your thigh Oh Ma’mar! For verily, the thigh is ‘awrah!”

Takhrīj: Reported by Imām Ahmad in his Musnad and Al-Haythamī said in his Majma’: “Its men are all impeccably trustworthy (thiqāt).” It is also reported in At-Tārīkh Al-Kabīr of Al-Bukhārī, and Al-Hākim in his Mustadarak while Adh-Dhahabī remained silent concerning it

فإنما بين سرته وركبته من عورته
“For what is between the navel and knees is from the ‘awrah.”

Takhrīj: Reported by Ad-Dāraqutnī in his Sunan 1/132 and Al-Bayhaqī in his Kubrā 2/229.

The following hadīth proves that the thigh is from the ‘awrah of a man:

غَطِّ فَخِذَكَ فَإِنَّهَا مِنْ الْعَوْرَةِ
The Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, “Cover your thigh, for certainly it is of the ‘awrah.”

Takhrīj: This hadīth is reported by At-Tirmidhī who said, “It is Hasan.” Al-Bukhārī in his Sahīh in Mu’allaq form, though he weakens it due to mingling in its chain in his Tārīkh Al-Kabīr 2/248. Imām Ahmad in his Musnad 3/479, Abu Dāwūd 4014 and Al-Hāfith Ibn Hajr responds to those who criticize its chain in his Taghliq at-Ta’liq by quoting many different follow up chains. Imām Al-Bukhārī states in his Sahīh, “It is reported from Ibn ‘Abbas, Jarhad, Muhammad ibn Jahsh that the Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said the thigh was ‘awrah.”

Also the hadīth of Ma’mar reported in the Musnad of Imām Ahmad that goes:

حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ حَدَّثَنَا حَفْصُ بْنُ مَيْسَرَةَ عَنِ الْعَلَاءِ عَنْ أَبِي كَثِيرٍ مَوْلَى مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ جَحْشٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ جَحْشٍ خَتَنِ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ مَرَّ عَلَى مَعْمَرٍ بِفِنَاءِ الْمَسْجِدِ مُحْتَبِيًا كَاشِفًا عَنْ طَرَفِ فَخِذِهِ فَقَالَ لَهُ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ خَمِّرْ فَخِذَكَ يَا مَعْمَرُ فَإِنَّ الْفَخِذَ عَوْرَةٌ
The Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) came into the Masjid and Ma’mar was uncovering a part of his thigh. So the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, “Cover your thigh Oh Ma’mar! For verily, the thigh is ‘awrah!”

Takhrīj: Reported by Imām Ahmad in his Musnad and Al-Haythamī said in his Majma’: “Its men are all impeccably trustworthy (thiqāt).” It is also reported in At-Tārīkh Al-Kabīr of Al-Bukhārī, and Al-Hākim in his Mustadarak while Adh-Dhahabī remained silent concerning it.

Also the hadīth of Ibn ‘Abbās (radhiya Allahu ‘anhu) that states:

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سَابِقٍ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْرَائِيلُ عَنْ أَبِي يَحْيَى الْقَتَّاتِ عَنْ مُجَاهِدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ قَالَ مَرَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَلَى رَجُلٍ وَفَخِذُهُ خَارِجَةٌ فَقَالَ غَطِّ فَخِذَكَ فَإِنَّ فَخِذَ الرَّجُلِ مِنْ عَوْرَتِهِ


The Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) saw a man exposing his thigh. The Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said to him, “Cover your thigh! For the thigh of a man is from his ‘awrah.”

Takhrīj: Reported by Imam Ahmad in his Musnad 5/290 and At-Tirmidhī in his Sunan; however, he remained silent regarding its level of authenticity. It was also reported by Imām Al-Bukhārī in his Sahīh in Mu’allaq form. In the chain of this narration is a man named Abū Yahyā Al-Qattāt who is weak according to the majority of scholars, though this hadīth is used as supportive proof.

The opinion that the thigh is ‘awrah opposes the Mālikī and [minor] Hanbalī view. Imām An-Nawawī stated, “A large number of scholars state that the thigh is ‘awrah, though Ahmad and Mālik in a report from him state that the ‘awrah [for a man] is only the genitalia and buttocks.” This was also said by the Thāhiri madh-hab, Ibn Jarīr (although Al-Hāfith Ibn Hajr casts aspersions on the report from him, see Nayl Al-Awtar where he is quoted Vol. 1 524), and Al-Istakhrī. The above proofs are utilized by the Shāfi’ī school in response to their opponents.

The ‘Awrah of a woman in Salāh is everything save her hands in face. Imām An-Nawawī states in his Minhāj, ”…and as for the free woman, her ‘awrah is everything save her face and hands. And it is a condition of her clothing that the color of her skin cannot be seen.”



Shaykh Sulaymān Al Jamal in his Hāshiyah explaining the words of Imām An-Nawawī says,

وهذه عورتها في الصلاة . وأما عورتها عند النساء المسلمات مطلقًا وعند الرجال المحارم ، فما بين السرة والركبة . وأما عند الرجال الأجانب فجميع البدن
“And this is her ‘awrah in Salah. And her ‘awrah amongst the Muslim women and the mahārim men (fathers etc) is what is between her navel and knees. As for her ['awrah] in front of ajānib (foreign) men it is all of her body.” (Hāshiyat Al-Jamal ‘Alal Sharh Al-Minhāj)



The great Shāfi’ī jurist, Imam Taqiyud-Dīn Al-Hisnī said,

”And it is makrūh (hated) that one makes Salāh in a garment with pictures on it, and that a woman wear niqāb, unless she is in the masjid and in it are men who are ajānib, and they are not caring about looking, so if she fears that they are looking at her, it is harām for her to lift the niqāb, and this happens in a lot of places such as the going to Bayt Al Maqdis (Jerusalem)…” [Kifāyatul Akhyār 1/181]

Ash-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Al Qāsim Al Ghazzi Ash-Shafi’i said,

“And the entirety of the free woman is ‘awrah except her face and hands, and this is her ‘awrah in Salāh. As for her ‘awrah when she leaves Salah, then her ‘awrah is all of her body.” [Fat-hul Qarīb bi Sharh Al-Faath At Taqrīb page 19]

Shaykh Zakariya Al-Ansāri (rahimahullāh) stated, when discussing Salāh, “And the ‘awrah of a free woman is everything save the face and the hands.” Shaykh Ash-Sharqāwi states in his explanation of this,

وعورة الحرة .. أي : في الصلاة . أما عورتها خارجها بالنسبة لنظر الأجنبي إليها فجميع بدنها حتى الوجه والكفين ولو عند أَمنِ الفتنة
”And this is her ‘awrah in Salāh. As for her ‘awrah outside of it, when the ajnabi (unrelated marriageable man) can look at her, then all of her body including the face and the hands, even if there is security from fitnah.” (Tuhfat At-Tullāb pg. 174)

Imām Taqiyud-Dīn As-Subkī said,

“And what is the closest (in opinion), from what our companions have produced is that the face and the hands of a woman are ‘awrah in nathr (i.e. looking) and not in the Salāh.” (Quoted by Al-Khatīb Ash-Shirbinī in his Mughnī Al-Muhtāj)

The proof that the woman’s face is not ‘awrah in Salāh is what is reported from ‘A’ishah (radhiya Allahu ‘anha):

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ حَدَّثَنَا قَبِيصَةُ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ سَلَمَةَ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ عَنْ ابْنِ سِيرِينَ عَنْ صَفِيَّةَ ابْنَةِ الْحَارِثِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ قَالَتْ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَا تُقْبَلُ صَلَاةُ الْحَائِضِ إِلَّا بِخِمَارٍ
“Rasūlullāh (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, ‘The Salāh of the mature woman is not accepted except when she is wearing a khimār (veil on the head that covers her hair and neck).”

Imām At-Tirmidhī grades this hadīth hasan and then says, “Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī said, ‘It is not permitted for a woman to expose her skin and hair in Salāh.” It was authenticated by Ibn Khuzaymah in his Sahīh, reported by Abu Dāwūd, Ahmad, Al-Hākim in his Mustadarak saying, ‘It is Sahīh upon the conditions of Imām Muslim’ and Adh-Dhahabī agreed.

The Woman’s Feet

There is disagreement regarding a woman’s feet. Are they ‘awrah or not? Imām Al-Ghazzālī states in his “Al-Wasīt”,

وظهر القدم عورة وفي إخمصيها وجهان
“And the tops of the feet are ‘awrah, and regarding the soles of the feet, then there is two views (i.e. they are and they are not).” [Vol 2, page 174]

There is a minority view reported from Imām Al-Muzanī, the early erudite student of Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī, wherein he stated, “The feet of a woman are not ‘awrah.” (Recorded by Imām Al-Khatīb Ash-Shirbīnī in his Mughnī Al-Muhtāj, Taqiy-ud-dīn Al-Hisnī in his Kifāyat Al-Akyār, as well as others.)

The living Shafi’ī jurist Amjad Rashīd stated in one of his fatāwa,

مذهبنا أن ستر قدم المرأة في الصلاة واجب
“Our madh-hab is that the woman covering her feet is obligatory (wājib).” Although he does give minor dispensation for the opinion of Al-Muzanī

The argument that the woman’s feet are ‘awrah stems from the principle that the entirety of a woman is ‘awrah, unless proof is given otherwise, as the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said, “The woman is ‘awrah.” (Tirmidhi who said ‘Hasan Sahīh’ and Ibn Khuzaymah in his Sahīh) Furthermore, there is a specific text regarding this issue reported from Umm Salamah (radhiya Allahu ‘anha) that states,

حَدَّثَنَا الْقَعْنَبِيُّ عَنْ مَالِكٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ زَيْدِ بْنِ قُنْفُذٍ عَنْ أُمِّهِ أَنَّهَا سَأَلَتْ أُمَّ سَلَمَةَ مَاذَا تُصَلِّي فِيهِ الْمَرْأَةُ مِنْ الثِّيَابِ فَقَالَتْ تُصَلِّي فِي الْخِمَارِ وَالدِّرْعِ السَّابِغِ الَّذِي يُغَيِّبُ ظُهُورَ قَدَمَيْهَا
From the mother of Muhammad ibn Zayd who said I asked Umm Salamah (radhiya Allahu ‘anha)as to what clothing a woman should wear while praying. She said, “Pray in the Khimār (that which overs the head) and the Dir’a that is long enough to cover the tops of the feet.”

This is also reported from Umm Salamah as a question to the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) although the majority of scholars say that it is weak because nearly everyone who narrated the report did not mention the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) therein, and the one who was mistaken in this report was a man by the name of Abdur-Rahmān ibn Abdullah ibn Dīnār who has criticisism against him (as said by Imam Al-Mundhirī). So the strongest report is that this is a statement of Umm Salamah and her verdict, which the majority of Shāfi’ī jurists cling to.

I think in this text is a lot of evidence for this position (its a text about the position of the shafi school on this topic) , there can be more opinions, but his claims have evidence. And Allah knows best

 

Hello I am muslim as well and I was just wondering if any of you brothers can give me some advice on this issue I posted here:

http://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/marriage-vs-abstaining-from-pmo.48524/#post-339369

 

I am so depressed and stress. I fell there is no way out of my problem. Its so hard urghhhhh. I fell rejected how come i can masturbate and watch porn after praying jumaah. I am from malaysia, 23 years old. I want to get married, but b4 that i want to stop this habit.

 

Waalaikumsalam.Tq my brother. Mostly i failed is that i was to hard on myself. Thanks again for the motivation.

 

@Taqwaman wow I'm really happy to see that you're still committed to abstaining from pmo man! You're doing some awesome work. Really glad to see that progress. keep it up man, I'll catch up soon

 

Assalamwalaikum bro,
Keep going on brothers. We all have to leave this evil habit forever. Islam prohibits masturbation. We had to follow Islam till our last breath.

 

Great to see my brothers recovering from such dreadful habit
Salam Alekum

 

Assalamualaikum everyone, i got really bad news for myself, actually it been a long time i did not update about myself, because actually i been masturbate again, and i on my final year on collage, so i did not have much time to update, and i feel really sorry towards people that give me motivation, but i today i think, hey everyone do mistake, we are human, i takes times.

 

Salaam,

I know I'm late to the party, but I'm Muslim as well... I discovered P at age 11. I'm 18 now. I never got involved in the "hardcore" stuff but it's still a filthy habit I must get rid of. Though I watch P and M'd here and there, I still managed to do well in high school. At the age of 17 I finished memorising the Quran. I felt like a hypocrite because I used to PMO and lead people in Taraweeh prayer. I say this not to show off but to highlight that PMO can affect anyone and everyone. By Allah's will I found NoFap some time ago. Since finding NoFap I haven't relapsed and I don't plan to ever again. This is my longest streak I've ever had and it's thanks to NoFap. I have a journal as well which I update almost everyday.

 

I was raised in a christian family.
Honestly, my way out of PMO began only when I dropped out of church. It was a releave like leaving hell.

I'm 40+ and came to the conclusion that religions are not at all good for the people in this world.
Maybe only buddhism, which is different from all other religions.

 

What makes you think Islam is bad? Is it a feeling you have or is it based on proof?

 

I don't go into this kind of discussion. I consider ALL religions to be bad, because they all have the same pattern:

- You have a human-made fantasy object on top ("god" or whatever)
- You have "priests" who tell you how you have to live and think
- You have "followers" who blindly follow the advice of their priests.

For me, religion has destroyed my childhood.
- A so-called "loving" god which smashes you when you do not behave correctly ?
- People telling me my feelings are "sin" ? Now come on, has a loving god made me or not ?
- Pedophilic priests offering me money to get home to them ? Threatening me with the devil, when I do not agree ?

No thank you.
Throw away their books, drop out, think for yourself, go your own way. That's the way to inner freedom.

 

Mhmm, just like I expected. Using bad experience with one religion to rule them all out. No textual proof, and just going off whims and desires.

 

I expected an answer like this also. No words of love at all. Can you try to be a little bit pleasant to me? Thank you.

 

I am being fairly pleasant. I am simply frustrated and I wish you examined the issue with an open mind. It is highly likely that the right answer is out there but you haven't found it yet.

 

I have found the answer, but not in the books.

The answer lies in me, in you, in all our inner self. It is called "love", and it is in everybody. You can also call it "faith", "confidence", "balance", "content", "happyness", "spirit", or whatever.

However, it is a like a little plant. If you care for it and water it, it can grow and become a beautiful tree.
But if it is kicked and abused, then it will grow slowly and crippled. But even then, it grows, and it might see the light one day.

The important thing is that it is in you, and not outside.