1. Welcome to NoFap! We have disabled new forum accounts from being registered for the time being. In the meantime, you can join our weekly accountability groups.
    Dismiss Notice

My PIED is gone, and I keep relapsing in MO because of it

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by MasterRoshi, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. MasterRoshi

    MasterRoshi Fapstronaut

    538
    972
    93
    So I didn’t even realize I had any PIED. I just thought that the only way some becomes erect is through intense stimulation mixed with touching. Well I’ve been sober from porn for about 9 months and I have recently relepsed with MO 4 different times.

    The reason the MO relapse was so easy is because I didn’t need to touch myself to become erect. I just needed to fantasize and I became arroused. In order to O I touched myself but I am insanely sensitive.

    This is a triumph in some ways cuz it shows that I’m not desensitized anymore. But I’m very very nervous and for me MO has been incredibly unhealthy.

    Traditionally I have used P and MO as a way to cope with my life. To run from feelings. Using the dopamine rush of orgasm as a drug, like a shot of heroin to escape the pain of life and relax.

    The first time I recently MO, it wasn’t anything unhealthy. The second time it wasn’t too bad but I really really enjoyed it and was scared.

    But yesterday, I in all honesty, MO to feel something good because I had a horrid day and hated myself and my life. So the ever familiar destructive mental fantasy and the isolation and escape from reality and the use of dopamine release as a way to cope with my stress is what I did, without a doubt.

    This is dangerous because this is the progression that started my PMO career. And I don’t want to use Orgasm as a drug....

    The problem last night was I didn’t touch myself to start the process. I am now so sensitive to arousal that I just had to fantasize. So now it’s not just about “don’t touch it” it’s about don’t fantasize??? This is insanely difficult and it’s a mind fuck... and when I’m in distress and also tired and alone in bed... I now have to force myself to not think sexual thoughts otherwise I’ll end up erect and aroused without any touching at all...


    I’ve noticed today I’m sluggish, feeling more introverted and insecure, and a strong urge to escape from this life.... these feelings are very familiar and I hate them. I wish I could turn back the clock and still be hard mode sober. Cuz even MO isn’t good for me right now I’m my life.

    Any advice?
     
  2. HereAndThere

    HereAndThere Fapstronaut

    184
    270
    63
    Im having similar experiences, using PMO as a way to feel better and its much easier to MO just on fantasies after i have a streak going. At some point i tried to just do MO when i felt like watching porn and that was a disaster, it was alot of work and i still felt lethargic. I recently noticed when urges come and i managed to ride it out till they stopped and that works. But its constant struggle, like half hour urges several times a day. Well, thats how fighting addiction looks like.
     
    MasterRoshi likes this.
  3. MusicMakingMonk

    MusicMakingMonk Fapstronaut

    190
    260
    63
    I'm on a decent streak right, but the point at which I now have urges often, or moreso experience extreme arousal is when I get to bed. The idea of someone lying next to you, and the potential that has is often attached to this arousal.
    I've been practicing meditation, and I must say it really helps with just letting fantasies fade, just another though like any other that you don't need to resist, fight, or latch onto.
    And then just feel into the arousal. Just let it be there. Don't ignore it. Feel it. But just remind yourself you're laying in bed to fall asleep. And moving around won't help with that, nor will feeling shame from masturbation help. And slowly relax.
     
    MasterRoshi likes this.
  4. Fallensoldier1

    Fallensoldier1 Fapstronaut

    769
    778
    93
    I also know exactly what you mean. It isn’t just about P for me. My last relapse was just to MO for sensation. I can get off without P now as well as I’m very sensitive. I started just trying it once cuz I was horny and thought once is fine without P I will just fantasize with what I have done in real life and not think of P. But the next day I wanted to again. And it started to become a habit again. Every night before bed. I had to stop. I know know it’s not healthy for me to touch myself at. all. And eventually if I did keep doing it every day. It would keep escalating to wanting to look at underwear pics, and then P videos, it would just keep escalating. So if my wife is not touching me, I cannot get off. And right now we are separated so I have no way to release. I can’t trust myself. It’s so very hard.
     
    MasterRoshi likes this.
  5. MasterRoshi

    MasterRoshi Fapstronaut

    538
    972
    93
    I’m separated also right now which is incredibly dificult for sex reason but more so for the emotional stress it’s causing me. I’m now attempting to interact with the world without her and attempting to make friends dis with both men and women without my wife around as my emotional crutch and it’s really taking its toll on my emotional state.

    I’m feeling so unbalanced. I would guess that this intense new life I’ve thrown myself into has something to do with my desire to escape and run and hide using MO and fantasy.

    My goal was and is a healthy relationship with my sexual self and using fantasy and mo to numb the discomfort of life isn’t healthy at all. And isn’t in line with my sexual ideal. It’s definitly better than porn, it still very detrimental to my self esteem and my spirit of life.

    I’ve become lazy and procrastinating and overall less desire to be the best me. I don’t blame the actual act of orgasm for this, but I do think it’s a sign of my ability to process my feelings in a healthy manor and be excited to be alive. If I’m seeking MO as an escape, I’m probably not doing we’ll emotionally and need to get that sorted out. For a few months I felt excited to wake up every morning. I want that back again.
     
    Fallensoldier1 likes this.
  6. Fallensoldier1

    Fallensoldier1 Fapstronaut

    769
    778
    93
    Yeah I know almost exactly what you mean on everything you said. I thought MO’ing to just thoughts was safer than P as well. But I found out I was still feeling the effects and it was starting to become more frequent. It sounds like we both just need to stop touching ourselves all together for sure. And leave our satisfaction to either our wives if we get back with them, or the next woman we get into a serious relationship with.

    Being a man of Christian faith that I am, I know God made sex to be had inside of marriage. That is becoming so difficult for me if I get divorced. I have had a unhealthy sex life for a while. I am starving for it. I will be in a tough spot then for sure.
     
  7. Kipp

    Kipp Fapstronaut

    5
    1
    3
    Similar experiences, but now i'm having sex regurarly and then i'm starting to need have physical stimulation to keep it up, it seems like using the old pathways.

    What i realize guys is that we ex-hard-porn user have developed a not normal sexual behaviour, we start with physical stimulation, then fantasies then erection, instead the normal one starts from fantasies, then erection then physical stimulation.

    We have not normal brain pathways, idk how to figure it out
     
  8. Kipp

    Kipp Fapstronaut

    5
    1
    3
    If i could say something to me when i was 10 years old, it would be "dont touch your fucking penis if it's not harda that much".

    Seriously, i started watching porn before i started getting it up and fapping, and bad part is that i could easily find a girl for having sex
     
  9. MasterRoshi

    MasterRoshi Fapstronaut

    538
    972
    93
    So as an update for everyone, I have just had that same feeling in the pit of my stomach of intense arousal. It’s almost the same feeling I get when I have anxiety, the butterflies in my stomach, except this excitement feeling is connected to my penis region. And I become aroused. Such a strange feeling! Haven’t had this feeling ever in my life. Maybe when I was 12 yo or something.

    So again, it’s a really awesome experience to have arousal happen this way. A testament to quitting porn, and a loooong break from all MO.

    What I realized is my addictive brain is latching on to this butterflies in the stomach type of arousal and instead of touching my penis being the first piece of the arousal sequence, now it’s just a state of mind and me using fantasy to enhance the arousal feeling.

    So to stay sober and continue in the no PMO challenge, I realize I now need to not entertain the butterflies of arousal. I need focus on that as the first point towards relapse.

    In the past few weeks I have entertained that feeling and gave in to MO because it is such a strange and new feeling. But I really don’t want my sex life to be isolated via MO.

    So here’s the next stage of my recovery. Mental fantasy and this new type of arousal count towards my relapse and I will stay focused on healthy alternatives instead of entertaining these feelings.
     

Share This Page