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My situation - apologies if this turns into a long post

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by anewhope, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. SuperFan

    SuperFan Fapstronaut

    I can sympathize with your comments here (especially considering your choice of username), but I also think you're really bashing @noexcuses unnecessarily. He's just expressing a concern here.

    Would he lose all sexual desire for her if she got some serious illness that made her gain 100 lbs? Who of us can predict how we'd feel in that kind of situation? What if his love for her never changed, but his sexual desire did--would that be acceptable? Everyone has things in their 'arousal template' that they're sexually drawn toward. If I were sexually drawn to fit women, I'd take huge offense to the notion that I was somehow a horrible, shallow person for not being sexually attracted to a wife who gained 100 lbs. That's BS.

    Does she need to be a perfect hardbody? No. Does she need to resemble his porn star fantasy when she's 60? Of course not. Cut the man some slack and allow him to have some sexual preferences. Yes, I get that porn messes with men's expectations. Yes, I get that it promotes unrealistic standards of beauty. But even if you cut all of that out, people are still allowed to have superficial things they find attractive, and they shouldn't be shamed for suggesting they'd have a hard time being sexually attracted to a spouse who went in the polar opposite direction of one of those traits.

    And let's be real--95% of the time someone gains a ton of weight like that, it's because of a gradually eroding lifestyle. Talking about no-fault disease is like saying "well what about rape and incest" when discussing abortion, where rape and incest cases only make up 1% of them.
     
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  2. EyesWideOpen

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    I understand your sentiment and I'm not trying to bash him at all and i apologize for it coming across that way. My intent is to be respectful but also to point out the double standard he seems to have set up for himself. This is, of course, an assumption on my part that PMO, and all the wonderful issues that come with it, was not part of the deal when they got married. And if not, then according to his reasoning, he has changed the "terms" of their relationship.

    My point, again, is not any real specific issue, PMO was just an example, but that life happens and we are along for the ride. As someone who has been married 20+ years, I feel I have learned a lot of similar lessons myself, particularly in the last 10 years. As we live our lives with our spouses, we (hopefully) grow in maturity, grow in love, and learn what is truly valuable in our relationships. It rarely ends up being what we think it will, because life shows us otherwise.

    These will be last my comments for @noexcuses here as I certainly am not meaning to cause drama, I was just trying to explain myself and I think I've made my point.
     
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  3. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

  4. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Life carrying on here. Celebrated our daughter's 14th birthday on Wednesday. She wore heels as it was a special occasion and with those on she was 5' 11' tall!! I'm not used to her being able to look me straight in the eye!

    We are about to have the whole house turned upside down as we have the lounge/dining area decorated from top to bottom. This weekend will be spent moving all the furniture out into other rooms so the decorators and later carpet fitters can do their work.

    Nothing kills my wife's libido like external stress and stress often triggers her depression too, so we may be heading for a challenging two weeks or so (all finishes on 31st August).

    Managing to keep urges under control at present.
    Pleased that I am nearly 60 days in with no slip ups.
    Pleased that I have nearly finished writing my novel. (I have just started writing the 29th and final chapter).

    Steeling myself for the next ten days. Committing myself to being the best husband I can be and providing my wife with whatever support she needs.

    ANH
     
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  5. @anewhope,

    Sir, I salute you. You are truly a shining light in this modern age where people throw everything away when it doesn't look/work/behave like it used to. I am inspired by your honesty and efforts and especially your marriage!

    Keep doing the fantastic job you are on, and I am sure your dream of being happy octogenarian s will come true.
     
  6. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Thank you for your lovely, supportive and generous message!
    ANH
     
  7. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Not a goodbye, but a tactical withdrawal.

    Hello my friends. I have decided that I need to spend a little less time on NoFap. I have been spending a couple of hours a day here, checking it frequently for alerts and looking forward to the exchanges on here a little too much. In other words, I have recognised in myself some of the emerging symptoms of addictive behaviour. Please don't get me wrong, I think this site is fantastic and I'm in no way equating the good that it does, to the damage that porn does. In quitting PMO after more than 40 years, with the help of NoFap, I have created the space in my life I wanted to create. I think my porn-addled brain is searching around for anything sexual to fill that space and it may be that talking to strangers (particularly women) on here about our sex lives is partly scratching that itch.

    So, reluctantly, I will be checking in less often and devoting more time to improving myself, loving my wife and daughter and getting on with the new, better life that this site has helped me create.

    But before I wind back, I would like to put on record how much this site and the wonderful people who inhabit it have helped me.

    • NoFap has shown me the true extent of the damage that PA and PMO does to people and to relationships.
    • It has made me aware just how much I had damaged my own brain with PMO and given me the determination to quit for good.
    • It has made me aware that even after 60 days, I am only at the beginning of the road to beat my own addiction and that if I get complacent I will fail.
    • If I am honest, it has made me fearful for the generation of young men and women growing up and painfully aware of the traps that lie in wait for my beloved 14-year-old daughter. Hopefully with this knowledge I can help educate her, keep her safe and give her the confidence to build healthy relationships when the time comes.
    • It has, at times, made me ashamed of the shallow, thoughtless, selfish behaviour of many members of my gender
    • It has made me feel sad for the women who have loved these men, only to be lied to and repeatedly hurt.
    • It has filled me with admiration for the strength and resolve of some of the women here who fight like crazy for what they believe in
    • More than that, I have been amazed by how generous these women are with their time and their advice when they have crazy, busy lives and have been hurt so many times. They still get up and try to help others. You are awesome, ladies! Thank you.
    • By writing my own journal here and getting feedback from you kind people, it has helped me take stock and realise just how lucky I am in my own life and made me truly want to work harder to be the best husband and father I can be.
    • It has given me some specific useful advice on how to improve communication with my wife (5 love languages etc.)
    • And your kind words have reassured me that, though I have been a PA for all my adult life, I am not irredeemably bad and can still be the husband that my wife deserves.
    So, I hope that over these two intense months I have been a good citizen of this community and that some of my contributions have helped others as much as you have all helped me. I have deliberately not named names here, but there are two or three here to whom I am particularly grateful. You know you are. A sincere thank you for all your help.

    So good luck to all of you on your respective journeys. I hope that you win your battles, make the brave decisions and have the great lives you truly deserve.

    I will still be here - just not as often.

    ANH
     
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  8. Thank you too, @anewhope! You have restored my faith in men, in British men ;-), in PAs, and also in people's ability to write in English :D
     
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  9. SOSo

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    Going to miss your posts, positivity, and encouragement. Keep on keeping on. Always rooting for you!
     
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  10. EyesWideOpen

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    We will miss seeing you as often. Go enjoy your family!
     
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  11. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Always a inspiration.
    In October, I will be leaving too...
    But adieu to you, good sir!
    I will see you when I see you!
    *Hugs*
     
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  12. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    That is one of the nicest compliments I have ever received. Thank you so much! :)
     
  13. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    A quick update:

    As predicted, the stress of the decorating work has been tough for my wife, despite the support I've been giving her. We are trying to co-ordinate lots of different trades and delays cause knock-on delays. The house is in the inevitable chaos and the end date has now been pushed back until 5th or 6th September. I am more or less resigned to the fact that her libido will be non-existent until then. Today it is 11 days since we last made love (and hence since my last O). If things go as I expect them to, we will not make love again until 6th September at the earliest. That will be a 'challenging' 23 day gap. :(

    As regular readers know, it is not just the sex, but the touch that I crave. My wife kissed me twice yesterday - but only after I asked her to!

    Despite this gloomy picture, I am finding this fallow period less challenging than some of the earlier, shorter ones. I think it is because I saw it coming, understand the reasons for it and was resigned to it. In previous gaps, I allowed myself to hope each night and then get disappointed. It is the hope that gets you in the end. Ironic really, given my chosen user name here!

    ANH
     
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  14. Do you think she would agree to a different arrangement than you currently have? I know she is the only one "allowed" to initiate sex, but what about just some cuddling or a long hug? Maybe a compromise discussion would be helpful? You don't initiate sex, but you get a long hug more often than now. I know my BF's love language is touch (for me touch is the last on the list), so I sometimes give him a hug, even if we're fighting.
     
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  15. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Hi novibe,

    Thanks, yes I was mulling that over myself but your suggesting it too makes me doubly sure it is a good idea. Others here have spoken about a scheduled cuddle night. The real boost I crave is my wife touching or hugging me spontaneously of her own volition, but that rarely happens, even when she is in a positive mood, so something more contrived might be the best I can do.

    Given her up and down moods I don't think a date on the calendar would work - if it happened to coincide with a dark day, then it could only add to her stress, as touch is not something she craves like me. I think a better approach is for me choosing the moment and then asking for / suggesting a cuddle - reassuring her if necessary that I only want a cuddle.

    Btw, I am very impressed that you are able to hug your BF, even when you're fighting, even though touch is your least preferred language. He is a lucky guy :)

    ANH
     
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  16. If you read my latest journal entry, you will see I wrote that "he is a 4 year old... and I am a 13 year old"... emotionally, of course ;-), so that's the least I can do for a little kid :)
    "Lucky" is a bit of a stretch still. We're going through a rough patch, at the moment. Both needing quite much individual therapy to get ourselves under some kind of control. Only then can we really start working on the relationship. Two unhealthy people can't accomplish that successfully, unfortunately. But there is hope.
     
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  17. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Hiiiiii!!!!!
    I just wanted to drop in and say hi!
    I'm glad things are doing well with the wife :)
    Sounds introspectivey over there.
    Hope you are well!
     
  18. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Hi Kenzi!

    I think we are on a positive journey, going in the right direction. Though life's stresses cause inevitable ups and downs, I feel optimistic that our relationship is solid and that the physical connection has the potential to get better too. I feel more able to cope now with the long gaps between intimacy, while hoping that continuing to put my heart and soul into the relationship may, over time, shorten those gaps a little.

    More than 9 weeks 'clean' for me. I read the statistics you posted, which make kind of depressing reading, but I suppose deep down I knew that this was going to be a long haul. 90 days will be a significant milestone, then 1 year then 5!!

    Hugs to you!

    ANH
     
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  19. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    I think knowing the statistics will be good... Encouraging people to have not just short term goals, but realistic long term goals (not just "life") but a number that will get them To life.
    We can make a Huge shift that says... Here! This! This is what will get you there!
    I know it seems big, but it's not so bad and at least this is why it seems like the baby steps dont always make sense...
    I think you CAN do it!!!
    **Hugs**
    I'm glad things are going well.
    A solid relationship can make a huge difference in how you feel everyday.
    I know anonymous Anna posted some Tedx Talks that are great if you get a chance and want to listen.
    I don't even watch Tedx, I turn them on when I'm cooking :)
    It's good to listen.
    Anyways, I hope you have a great day!
     
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