"N days challenge" vs "Just for today" philosophy of the 12-step program

Yes. I look at it in terms of a measurement rather than a goal. The goal is to reboot in terms of the goal of this community, which has no definite timetable that anyone can identify.

If we're talking practical level, I would say it is not either X days or today though, both are limited to the construct of linear time. (yes, even "be here now" - which is just the opposite of a linear view) I think understanding time in terms of relationship of different things will get one through, like the cycle of just one day. There is a natural structure to our biology, certain things happen early in the day and some things happen later. They recently awarded the Nobel prize to American scientists for discovery around the circadian rhythm, and the Greeks had the notion of kairos - same basic idea. Someone may find they act out in the morning upon waking, there is a biological reason as between 7-9 am hormones are at their peak - plan accordingly. Other things are more socially informed like being alone at night.

I think where gamification comes in is a lot of people identify with that way of framing it, so it uses an existing pattern to the advantage of recovery - it may even be useful towards gaming addiction. But the reality of it is there are details to the process. There are no games that has points as the sole goal, you go on quests or whatever and there are specific things to do - even if you can get points it cannot be said you know the game well if you are just biding time.

Come to think of it, plenty of games do not reward you with points if you simply just sit there passing time, the same might be applied to rebooting which would involve using some kind of active participation as a metric. As the saying goes it's making your time count rather than just counting time.

EDIT: In terms of the passage of time it may be more relevant as far as biological rebooting, but I'd say psychological rebooting involves active participation of self examination.

 

BTW if anyone is interested in a more detailed but biologically and psychologically grounded gamification process the thoughts here led me to make this post: https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...-model-based-on-the-7-primal-emotions.148106/

 

Thank you. This looks very promising!

 

Can you explain the method in the most easiest way ?
And also how to do this method ?

I read all those wikipedia page, and I feel overwhelmed because I just got home and tired.

 

It seems very logical approach for me. Also I think that 90 days is a great myth. Each person is different and I see a lot of guys in here and other forums, they expect they will heal in 90 days, if this expectation doesn't happen they frustrate for that. Just for today... I heard it from @SaltedPeter firstly. And with your thread I put together something more efficiently. Thanks for post!

 

I think expectations have to meet reality somehow, or else you become demotivated. Reaching for 90 days can be really demotivating from my own experience. But IMO there's nothing wrong with looking at such landmarks as 30, 60, 90 days. Of course there won't happen a wonder on day 90 specifically. But it IS a landmark.
Then there's the streak. And I find it very helpful and motivating to actually SEE my streak (on the screen or in my head) as soon as I'm above the first few days.

One-day-at-a-time is good and usefull mindset in my opinion. I try to have it but I'm not really into this kind of approach.

I see nothing wrong with "Gamification" as long as it serves the purpose of recovering, healing and improving your life. But I guess there comes the moment for everyone here, where one see's the deadly seriousness and urgency of the matter and that it is in fact no game. Or rather there are many of these moments in recovery, where you suddenly are pushed from your high rose when you see things straight as they are.

But to not fall into depression or in excessive behaviors like a refusal of all sexual, a playful attitude can be good, I guess.

So how goes these different approaches together, or don't? I don't know.
But maybe OP is right, that we focus too much on streaks, challenges and big numbers here. Maybe I was framed this way myself when I was new here and it didn't me so good.
I think it is an improvement that there's one "official" counter for every user rather than a bunch of different counters which some entertained in their Signature all at once. Nothing against monitoring personal developement but there has to be some priority or folks go crazy, IMO

Quite intriguing topic!