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Nearing 5 months in hardmode - being sick a lot

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, Apr 16, 2018.

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  1. Fenix Rising

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    Hi fellow Fapstronauts,

    has anyone experienced similar simptoms? It's like having a cold or a flu without fever for prolonged period of time. Experiencing low energy also. Maybe hardmode isn't as beneficial as I was hoping it would be. Do you think complete sexual abstinence is to blame for my troubles? I've been an extreme addict for a very long time (+17 years).
     
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  2. BeanBurrito

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    Yea I went through a period of being sick (or at least feeling sick) off and on for like 3-4 months straight. The doctor couldn't find anything wrong.

    I think that withdrawals can mess with your body in a lot of different ways including your immunity.

    It's not the sexual abstinence that is causing it, it's the post acute withdrawal from the drug that is PMO.

    Just keeping push, it eventually passed for me.
     
  3. Fenix Rising

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    How long did it take for symptoms to wear off? I have no problems abstaining from PMO or sex, but I don't like being tired most of the time. I'm starting to wonder if PMO is to blame for my physical state or something else.
     
  4. In my own experience it feels as if your immune system is compromised from heavy abuse of pmo. I very rarely get sick but a few months into withdrawal bam a week or two of flu then the following week a cold. I never was a person to get the flu, fucked me right up haha.

    Hang in there buddy.
     
  5. Fenix Rising

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    Thanks man. It's good to know, I'm not alone. Do you feel more or less energized on daily basis since doing no PMO?

    Fatigue has become chronical thing for me. I just can't snap out of it. I wake up tired even if I go to bed at 11 pm and have good 9 hour sleep. I suffered from insomnia, but my otherwise terrible 10 days hiking trip (walking +30 km a day in awful company resulted in swollen knees, legs, ankles and hurt soul...) has cured it. I was hoping to have more not less energy which was the case when I did my first 90 days streak, but this one is so different. I have no urges for porn or masturbation, they don't even cross my mind anymore, but hate being in this half ill - blue state of mind all the time. Even friends see there is something wrong with me. I get a lot of questions how I feel lately and observations like "you don't look so well" (translation: you look like crap without politeness filter on).
     
  6. Fenix Rising

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    It's hard to believe that after almost 5 months I'm still experiencing post acute withdrawal symptoms. I've done two 90 days streaks before and had typical withdrawal symptoms for 2 months, not 5. It's so much worse this time around, like a "perfect mix" of general anxiety, depression and chronical body fatigue. I feel like being stuck in a moment and can't get out of it. I've travelled 1.500 miles just to feel alive again, but nothing has changed. I'm still stuck, not able to relate to people's superficial problems anymore. It's like being just an observer of life, passing by, not actively participating in it. Consumerism, social media, mainstream news programs, people standing next to me talking on their smart phones/taking selfies rather than talking to people in front of them are all making me sick. I can't be part of such society. PMO was just my tool of escape. Now the tool is gone and I'm lost. I start seeing things as they are and I'm terrified. Material goods give me no joy anymore after witnessing human suffering and dying for years. Most people I talk to are trying to fill their emptiness by buying more things they don't need, rather than improving their social relationships.
     
  7. Gota

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    I don't feel like having flu/cold during my reboot, but I used to have these symptoms for many years when I was PMO addicted. They used to appear and dissappear maybe 4-5 times per year and usually lasted for few weeks or, sometimes, even months. I agree that it has something to do with your immune system. The symptoms were very much the same like having cold, except no temperature. I don't know if this related to PMO addiction or, maybe, prolonged stress, but I was permanent sick back then.
     
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  8. BeanBurrito

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    I don't mean to discourage you but well over a year of hard mode.

    My body and mind were completely out of whack. No doctor could find anything wrong and the only thing that changed in my life was giving up PMO.

    As hard as it is you just need to accept that things might be shitty for a little while longer. I can also absolutely relate to the chronic fatigue/lethargy along with a host of other mental symptoms- depression and anhedonia being the worst.

    Your brain and body will heal though, there are many accounts on this forum and others of people going through a similar process.

    This shit is really, really hard. Just keep pushing through and keep in mind that everything that you are going through physically and mentally is temporary.
     
  9. Fenix Rising

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    Thanks man. What did you find most helpful when fighting these symptoms? It feels like I'm hitting the wall right now. I've been exercising a lot, but it seams as exercise is not doing a trick for me anymore. I have no intention nor desire to stop hardmode, but would really like to find something that would help me be less miserable. I read posts from people feeling great after 90 days of no PMO. Even site like yourbrainonporn says 90 days is an average reboot timeframe. Why are we different? More severe and prolonged compulsive behavior then "lucky" ones?
     
  10. Healed-Tiger

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    Keep yourself active, go to the gym, hike, play sports.
    Be more social and meet friends.
    Have you thought about taking (Bacopa Monnieri) supplement? It's known to regulate the dopamine levels and I believe it should help.
    I stopped PMO for about 4 months, but didn't know that I should stop orgasming/edging too because the problem is in the dopamine. So, I stopped it for about 25 days.
    I started to get erection some nights, the erections are 60% strong, then flatlines most of the time. I know from reading that it takes time. We spent so much time damaging our brain, so let's be patient and give ito brain the time to heal.
    This is my first post, I hope you guys find it useful.
     
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    From my understanding, the early days of yourbrainreblanced.com was populated by a lot of middle aged and older guys who didn't grow up with high speed porn and didn't PMO during their formative early years. Older dudes who didn't grow up with the stuff and have plenty of prior sexual experience typically take a lot less longer to reboot than younger guys.

    Gary Wilson, who discovered (or at least popularized) the link between ED and porn has even come out and said that he didn't realize the full effects of withdrawing from PMO. Again, he was initially dealing mostly with older guys who tend to not only recover faster from PIED but don't tend to have the nasty withdrawal and post acute withdrawal symptoms (PAWS) from porn.

    When I first started rebooting 2 years ago, I GREATLY underestimated how long and how tough this journey through PAWS would be. I think that the notion of a 90 day reboot is still out there but at least now there are more and more accounts of guys going through longer, more drawn out reboots.

    There's no guarantee that your will have severe withdrawal symptoms but there is a pretty good chance. I've seen accounts of dudes who basically had very minimal withdrawal symptoms and I've seen plenty of accounts (like mine) of extremely sever withdrawal symptoms lingering well over a year into the reboot. The timeframe and severity of the withdrawals are based on a number of factors and individual brain chemistries and I honestly think that there's no point in trying to put a timeframe on recovery as hard as that is.

    There have been several things that have helped me get through this period in hell. I would have to put meditation at the top of the list. Chances are your mind and body will be all over the place. It's helpful to have some awareness of your thoughts and be able to at least notice when you inevitably fall into a cycle of negative thinking or anxiety.

    Exercise and eating healthy is also obviously important. I don't think there's anything that you can do to prevent withdrawals but eating right and trying to give your body the best chance of fighting through this is a good idea.

    Trying to replace the dopamine that you've lost through PMO, the dopamine that your brain has relied on for years is also important. Exercise, socializing, getting into a hobby or craft, reading, etc are all beneficial. Basically the idea is to try and not only give your brain a little bit of the dopamine that it is no longer receiving from PMO but also to try and make sure that dopamine is coming from healthy sources. That's the whole "rewiring" part of this process. Rewire your brain to crave exercise and socializing and productivity and ACTUAL FEMALE INTIMACY instead of PMO.

    Lastly and most importantly my number one piece of advice would be to be easy on yourself. Everyone has different symptoms but the common factor for most everyone going through PMO withdrawals is that it is an EXTREMELY difficult time. It's been the hardest thing I've had to go through by a fucking mile. Try to be a friend to yourself and have some compassion (not pity) for yourself. This journey is hard enough on its own, try not to make it harder by getting frustrated with yourself and the way you feel which is much easier said than done.

    Also, try to keep in mind that everything that you're going through is TEMPORARY. By all accounts (not only form porn induced PAWS but also PAWS from other substances) the symptoms don't last. You will eventually come out the other side at 100% or more likely more than 100% of your PMO self.

    Going through this tremendous adversity will make you a stronger, more grateful, more empathetic person if you let it.

    Just hang in there and keep fighting.
     
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  12. Fenix Rising

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    Thank you for your very helpful advices, much appreciated. I see you're talking from your own experience.

    I'm trying to do just that, push forward to live more meaningful life, but depression/anxiety and lack of energy are hitting me hard. It's great struggle to stay on track, no so much with PMO, but with activities that would improve my wellbeing and productivity. I still have a long walk to recovery.
     
  13. flyjoy

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    17 years Addicten for Every year 2 months reboot. I was 20 years addicted and Fight some years know and it get better but slowly.
     
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