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  1. Heyho, my name is Lukas
    I heard about NoFap and thought "Yeah, that's it! u want that! u want to leave the devils circle of masturbation, pornography and orgasms outside of sex with a person u love."
    I really hope to can make a cut and left this bad behavior behind me.

    So thats why iam here. I hope to find some people to help me going through the time, to left the addiction which holds my life in cage. Maybe do find some good ideas and advices to go through bad times and weak moments.

    Iam from germany, 19 y/o, soccerplayer and acutal the only one of my friends trying NoFap. Some are smiling but that okay. Day 4 already and I feel good :)
     
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  2. PMO addict

    PMO addict Fapstronaut

    Hi Lukas! That's wonderful! Welcome to NoFap. We're glad you're here. My advice is to read some nofap forum or material every day to keep focused on your goal. So far thats what I did and I never thought I'd make it this far at nofap again. I failed alot of other streaks when I hadn't paid that enough mind.
     
  3. Septimus

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    Welcome Lukas, I'm glad you're here. Keep coming back.
     
  4. Thank u for your ideas and Welcomes:)
    I will try to give my best
     
  5. I left 5 days of #NoPMO behind me and going into day 6 today. I feel good but i realised that i have lots more boners (at morning and during day) like a 13 old boy. But I think its a good sign.
    When my alarm clock rings iam already awake and feel recovered and full of energy :)
     
  6. Mitness

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    Hi, i'm am no one special. Just a guy who suffered from addiction for 21 years and helping others. I write this to a lot of people who are starting to work on their recovery, so i hope it will help..

    It's a long LONG post, i hope you'll read it.

    I've been addicted to booze, drugs, sugar, caffeine, pmo, pmo with a lot of amphetamine, instagram, facebook, compliments etc etc. When i stopped using one, i got involved in the other addiction.

    Well, i guess addiction is just a symptom of a deeper problem. It's common for addicts to get addicted to other things when they cut the primal addiction. I guess when you get deeper into why you're addicted it's getting easier to understand.

    So figure out the reasons you're getting addicted! And it’s not because you like it. There's more underneath the simple “I like it.”

    Just, as i wrote, take a deep look in why you are addicted. Because every short-term solution will cause in increase in dopamine and therefore we feel good. We need that shot because we cannot deal with the feeling that we have when we don't get that shot. We cannot deal with negative emotions.. So, you need to know why you are seeking for the artificial stimulation. I see it as an onion.

    The sour onion is nicely stored in the outer skin.

    For the sake of convenience, we call the skin around the onion addiction.

    When you remove the outer skin around the onion, you spontaneously start to cry. It is acidic. It hurts your eyes. So our natural reaction is to do something about that. Because we as humans are, evolutionarily, programmed to find quick solutions, our first reaction is to put that sheet back in place. We masquerade the acid. So we either fall back into our old addiction, or we find, unconsciously, a new addiction.


    So, as I said, When you open the outer layer of the onion, it’s sour, and you will get tears.. Therefore you need to unpeel the onion.


    You have to peel all the onion until you get to the core. Work on that core. Unpack the core. And when you have found the core, unravel the core as well. I've noticed that whenever you get to the core, there's still a core. I have had 6 times that I thought I was at the core, but that there was still an underlying problem. And eventually, when you finally got to the core, you stop crying because there is no onion left anymore!

    It’s also very handy to watch this video 10 times!!



    And it helped me a lot to make a plan. So when i began to stop being addicted i just wanted to stop.. And that's good, but it's freaking hard to maintain focus with only one reason. So i made a plan. Why do i get addicted? What is it in my life that gives me so little joy that i always need to find other ways to get happy. .. So start with the gigantic question... WHY AM I ADDICTED? Do you fully understand why you happen to use all the time? As i wrote i was a full-time addict. Porn, drugs, booze, sugar, caffeine, social media, compliments of other people.. Every short-term solution i used to cope with my problems.. Really, after thinking for so so so long about my addiction i came to the conclusion that my addiction is in every fiber of my life!! And i finally got to a point where i really understand why i'm addicted. Since i fully understand what addiction is and what the mechanisms are behind (my) addiction, it's easier to not give in! For me it started when i was 9 years old. I had many problems in my life.. I was bullied a lot at school. Long story short; me and two friends found some porn magazines and one told me what to do as a boy. In the afternoon i did and BAZINGA, i didn't care about the bullying anymore. At the age of 13 I experienced great youth trauma. And from there it escalated quickly. Years of fapping, drug and alcohol abuse followed till they needed to take me into mental hospital 3 years ago. My main problem was that i have never loved myself. I started to believe it was my own fault that i suffered that trauma, and when i started using drugs i was ashamed etc. At then end i could find only one reason, i used everything just to have a good feeling, find some rest in my head etc. And it was not only substance abuse.. As i wrote, it was in every fiber of my life. Everything was about getting compliments, people telling me i'm a good boy, likes on instagram etc etc...

    So, figure out all the things you need to know about addiction in general and about addiction in relation to you. The Internet is pretty useful for that. And, maybe not the most fun thing to do, get bored a lot! In this modern time, we are always busy with something. From the moment you realize you get bored, you will find a way to deal with that boredom. We have internet, books, SMARTPHONES, people to hang out with. See where i'm going.. Our brain get's stuffed with imput, imput, imput.... We are never empty anymore. Yeah, i know, boredom is not fun, but it's essential for healing the mind and for finding answers on such big questions as for why am i addicted, why do i relapse all the time. So, go on the internet, read stories about other people's experiences and get bored and think.. THINK A LOT. I happened to find it most relaxing to go out for a walk in the forest, do a lot of cardio, read, or just meditated. There are a lot of meditation forms. I like the one i count my breath. And, i like the one where i just think about everything that pops up. Most of the time its about my addiction.

    So you need to make sure that when you want to fully recover from addiction it has to be at the very top of your list... It has to be the most important thing besides food, water, air, and sleep. So when you fully understand what the mechanisms are behind your addiction, then you make a solid plan.. Just getting in to reboot without a plan is the same as beginning an iron man triathlon with no training at all.

    And with a plan i mean a real plan.. So i made a mind map of all the reasons why i don't want to fap and why the hell i want to quit my addiction. I would suggest you make a written paper with 40 reasons why you don't want to fap anymore. I say 40 because 2 to 5 reasons are to short. 40 reasons is a moderately long list so it takes a little time to read. It might take your mind of the urges. I guess we addicts are really good at finding reasons why we should do it.. And therefore we are so damn good at convincing us to give in.. And, not to forget, one of the most important things is healthy food. My recovery would have been absolutely unsuccessful if I had continued to eat unhealthily. In the end, I even had to give up caffeine and sugar and masturbating to porn. We, addicts, are always seeking for the dopamine shot. So in order to recover and re-wire your brain, it's good to quit all short-term solutions. I would suggest joining the dopamine challenge. I've added a link to the dopamine challenge.. haha..
    https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/5crla0/the_dopamine_challenge_are_you_tough_enough/

    Making a plan is so important. Not having a plan is the same as wanting to run the marathon without wanting to train…

    So we really need to change that mindset and make us only see the reasons why we don't want to use anymore..

    It helped and still helps me a lot, when i really have strong urges, to make a mantra of all the reasons why I don’t want to do it. And, as a craving for drugs, alcohol or a porn related thought or image comes up to my mind I count from 1 to 6 and backward and visualizing the numbers. I just count and visualize as long as I need to get rid of the porn images or thoughts. This does two things.. Namely, it get's your mind of the urge when you do it consistently and... it helps your brain make need pathways not related to substance abuse (rewiring). I really noticed that after 3 weeks of consistently doing this, the cravings began to weaken... And afterward, when the cravings are gone, i do full the mantra 6 times.. And if that not helps, and i'm at home, i jump under the ice cold shower. It's such a shock to the body and mind that in 90 percent of the time i cant even think about it haha.. And if even that dont help me, i will go run as long as i need. Last time i needed to run i kept on going for 25 kilometer hahaha.

    So the other things i do to deal with the urges are..


    Hard Solutions, Easy Life - Easy Solutions - Hard Life
    Then, read this..

    https://gettingstronger.org/2010/05/opponent-process-theory/

    I guess it will be a long, difficult and arduous journey, but it is more than worth it.

    When i started working on my addiction(s) i had absolutely no idea what i was doing. I didn't think it was necessary either. I guess when you read my story you will see it was more than necessary. I'm working on my recovery now for 3,5 years and i still am not where i want to be. I even stopped working now for 4 months to work more on my recovery.

    In the end, I stopped everything. Instagram, facebook, sugar, caffeine, drugs and alcohol. I also try to work on my obsessive urge to get compliments.

    At first, I felt I had to give up everything. I thought it was terrible because I needed it. Now I gradually come to the conclusion that everything I didn't want to give up in order to live just, took my life. Live moderately, be satisfied just in time and happiness comes when you don't expect it because you were not busy with becoming happy but with life.

    Based on my own experience of the past 21 years, I really believe it is a long journey. I did not get addicted just like that. It did not happen in one go. It is a long way from becoming addicted. That is why i cannot expect to be ready just like that, all of a sudden.

    Every time i thought I was there, there's something new to come. (onion: underlying problem) And that's not a bad thing, that's good. Because i want to recover completely. I solemnly believe that recovery must be as important as the oxygen you breathe, the food you eat and the water you drink. You will not be addicted in 1 year. That is something that goes on for years. And probable you will reach this point a couple of times.. The point where everything seems to go fine and then you forget all the agreements that you have made with yourself…

    I have experienced so many times that things were going well again (at least, I thought so) and that I forgot about my own agreements. I forgot about the agreements because it went well again... So I relapsed about 100+ times. Be careful of those moments.

    Now I realize that it is the other way around. Things are going well because of those agreements!

    Do you know what the problem is with mankind as a whole? We, humans, are hunters and collectors based on our past. The part of our brain that is responsible for the feeling of pleasure and of "ah, this is important so I need to have it more often" was about the first part of our brain. That is also logical. Without a sense of pleasure, we would never have been able to evolve. Food is important to live so that's why we feel good after eating. Sex is extremely important for the reproduction of our genes, so this is one of the most intense, natural, dopamine rush. As I said, it is a mechanism that has ensured that we are living at the moment. So by nature we are always busy with feeling good. Only in the past was it a question of a primary good feeling. It wasn't so much about long-term planning. Eating, sleeping, connecting with your group, fleeing danger. These were mainly things for the short term. One of the few things that were planned in the long run was the reproduction of our genes. I'm sure you understand what I mean.

    So, the disadvantage of humanity is that we always go for short-term solutions. Look, for example, at our eating pattern. It is completely illogical to eat 3.4.5.6 times a day. Our body hardly gets time to process it. I eat about 2200 calories once a day. Mainly fat, a little protein and very little carbohydrate. I feel so much better than when I ate 4 times a day

    But, there is good news young man. We can train our brains.

    It took a very long time for me to get through the mechanisms behind addiction. Each time I stopped doing something and then started doing something different. That works for a while until you derail again.

    Each time you fall back into old habits, the paths of the old customs become stronger. And every time you fall for short-term solutions, the prefrontal cortex becomes weaker. The prefrontal cortex is involved in cognitive and emotional functions such as decision making, planning, social behavior and impulse control. So, as you can see, one thing lifts up the other.

    I can't give you an answer about how you should do it. I can only tell you why things always went wrong with me.

    I didn't put my recovery on top of my list. And, I recovered mainly for others. To get compliments, to hear that they were proud of me. Not because I have no willpower. Or no discipline.

    And, because I always opted for short-term solutions, I found it extremely difficult to make long-term goals.

    Sorry for the long post, but I hope I inspired you to work on your recovery. Ow, and i would suggest with starting with a full hard-mode reboot. That’s the best way for dopamine receptor recovery and for getting it out of your system..

    And do remember to please:

    We don’t give up things in order to recover. We gave up life, in order to be addicted.

    PS. Especially during the time i used amphetamine and pmo I was looking for such perverted things that in the end I believed I was a terrible man. After i quit using drugs it was still extreme and therefore i still believed i was terrible.

    Now, after my reboot, i am finally starting to get a normal taste again. I don't feel much for the extreme porn anymore.

    I, for instance, watched a lot porn which you can consider far beyond normal for me. Also gay porn. Gay hardcore porn. I even had a lot of sex with guys.. A lot.

    I never considered myself as a gay, but for a long time, i have thought i was bi-sexual. Now, after quitting my addiction, i have a more vanilla tast and i realized i'm straight actually haha.

    So do the complete reboot, get sober and then, after that, you can define what's normal for you!

    If you have any questions, just ask.

    My journal:

    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/21-years-of-addiction-my-fight-my-story.164500/

    PSS.

    The absolute basis for a good life is to think about yourself first. When you learn to really think about yourself, then naturally there will be a lot of room to think about others. We can say that we did not think well of ourselves, which is probably why we have become addicted.

    Now, look around you, how many people live on the autopilot. And how many of those people are really capable of standing up for others. The autopilot of today's world is that we are constantly devoting ourselves to fast, short-term solutions.

    So, be proud of yourself that you stand up for yourself, that you think of yourself and do what is best for you!


    PSSS.

    Talk and open up to people you can really trust. Don't do it alone. I can honestly say "it WONT work!"
    I did it for 21 years. It got me mentally insane. Since i opend up to my parents and the psychologist, it got better!
     
  7. Hey Mitness,

    i first wanted to read ur post in the bus to home but i wanted to give u full attention.

    WOW!

    Ur text is so mind opening, so powerfull and in the end just ur real life. I like it very much. And yes - i read it all. Iam sure u had a hard time to left all that behind u. Iam not into cigarets, alcohol, drugs or anything like that. I just had'nt sex with anyone today. Iam still virgin.

    My main problem ist PMO, like most here. I want to quit that shit.

    U talked about ur power u earned from intermittent fasting. I heard about it just yesterday and i liked the idea of self discipline. My soccer coach one said: "self discipline is the most importent property of a good player".

    And he is right! You also told me today. And you know what? U both are right. I became such a good striker at my team after i realized what you can be when you dont stop challenge yourself. I will try the Intermittent fasting.

    Thank you for sharing your story and your feelings! :)
    U are an inspiration for anyone of us!
     
  8. Update:

    Hey guys, i am just laying in bed and thinink about "what i acutally reached" and "what changed".

    So my expierince of today is: Alway horny, always ready do pull my dick out and wank. I showered mostly cold (hand warm) today to dont stay long time under the shower to cut the time beeing naked.
    My penis tries to get my attention (and may he gets when i write here?!) but i dont touch me. I stay strong. I want to leave this shit PMO behind me. Guys dont need Porn, Masturbation or Orgasms. All they need is a lovely partner. The Rest comes up by time.

    Day 6. Iam going to sleep now...
     
  9. p3rs0nal

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    Hey Lukas,

    Good to have you here, it's a good choice quiting PMO since it rly can influence your life in a bad way. I can tell, since i did PMO for 14 years. Good luck

    Btw: Komme übrigens selber aus Deutschland ✌
     
  10. Danke und gerne können wir auch privat schreiben :)
     
  11. p3rs0nal

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    Klar :). Werd dich mal am Freitag oder Samstag nochmal anschreiben. Hab heute und morgen noch Abi Prüfungen und muss noch lernen.
     
  12. Hatte ich letztes Jahr. Mittlerweile studiere ich. Viel Glück dir :)

    Warum erst mit 23? :p
    Zweiter Bildungsweg?
     
  13. p3rs0nal

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    Danke! Bin eig 20 :D hab nur ein falsches Datum angegeben.

    Hab zwischendurch auch noch ein Jahr gearbeitet.
     
  14. Mitness

    Mitness Fapstronaut

    Keep up buddy!
     
  15. Hey Lukas. Welcome. I am new here too. Let us all help each other. Cheers!!
     
  16. Alek

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    Hello, I´m looking for a German guy to help to fix a little translation for a non-profit nofap app. Would you help, or know someone would?
     
  17. Sure u can contact me private, if u want to :) i would like to have a german NoFap app
     
  18. So today is day 7, wow i made one week.
    Today i touched my morning wood. But before i felt back in old times, i stopped myself.
    "Hahaha nice try! NO!", i thought.
    I went out of bed, drinked some water, made my breakfast.

    I fought myself and my inner desires this morning. *Proud*.

    Anyway... my days becoming more and more structured and iam learning now more in libary than at home where the way to PMO is easier to go.

    Full of hope to come trough the other next weeks...

    Greetz Lukas
     

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