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Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Warren of fleabags, May 2, 2023.

  1. Warren of fleabags

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    Day 22 - my wife has been feeling a little nervous these last couple of days. In her words, it all seems like it is being too easy. We had another long conversation yesterday evening where we talked about what I was thinking/feeling when using P. Honestly I think I literally was not thinking of anything other than my own selfish needs.

    Another thought has sprung to my mind recently. There’s a scene in The Simpsons where Barney drinks beer from an ashtray. Funny when first watched. Now not so much. I am Barney, literally looking at anything I could as a way to satisfy my need. I don’t want to be that pathetic again. That is why this needs to stop. If I don’t then I’m scared about what I may become, let alone the damage it will cause everything in my life.

    Things I am grateful for today:
    My wife
    Tasty potato gratin
    Holidays coming ever nearer
     
  2. KevinesKay

    KevinesKay Fapstronaut

    I'm really impressed that you made it to day 22. Great job

    I can see why your wife feels nervous. She's afraid of you relapsing. I think what she really wants to know it's what's been changing in your life that would assure you having a better result this time. What are you doing differently this time?

    I observed that you used to word need multiple times above to describe your desire to act out. Need is a strong word. When I need something, I'm going to do just about anything however destructive that may be to go about getting what I feel like I need. The truth is sex is not a need. It's not a right nor a freedom. It's a privilege. And not everyone has the privilege to have sex. And this privilege needs to be surrendered. No one is an exception. I surrender my privilege to have sex. And don't get me started about porn. Calling porn a need assigns a tremendous amount of value on it. Whereas, the truth is porn has no value. It's worth $0. I shouldn't even desire it, but I do.
    So I prefer to use the term, really, really, really, really strong desire instead of need. And the desire has to be surrendered. That's more accurate.
     
  3. Warren of fleabags

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    Thank you for your thoughts. I agree with you what you say - it’s not a need. I need air to breathe. I need food and drink to stay healthy. I don’t need porn. We should devalue it and put value on what really matters when we are fortunate enough to be in a loving relationship - the intimate moments of connection and love between us.
     
  4. Warren of fleabags

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    Day 24 - another good couple of days. My wife is feeling better in herself and this makes me happy.

    My parents have yet to follow on with asking me how the counselling is going. Several times over the last few weeks they have (I feel) had an opportunity to ask me and nothing happens. It makes me feel like they are trying to brush it under the carpet. Maybe they are. I don’t blame them if that’s the case but it still doesn’t stop it from feeling rubbish. My wife helps so much here and I am so grateful for her support. It would just be nice to have that elsewhere too.

    Things I am grateful for today:
    Long talks with my wife
    Pay day
    Exciting plans for holiday
     
  5. How did they react when you first told them? It's possible that they want to know how it's going but are not bringing it up because they don't want to put you on the spot in case it doesn't happen to be going well. They could be waiting for you to update them, and if you haven't mentioned it again, they might think you don't want to talk about it.
     
  6. Warren of fleabags

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    You may be right of course, and my wife has mentioned the same. I have an opportunity to talk to them about it today. I think I’m just looking for some validation that they see I am trying to sort this out, which actually sounds a little selfish of me when written down like that.
     
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    Day 26 - first day of a week’s break for me and my wife. We have some good plans for the week, and I am taking her out for the day at some point as well. A proper date day. I am happy to hear that she sees a real change in me. She says that it feels like I am back. We both know that there will still be many challenges ahead - it’s not even been a month yet. The test has to be defeating the voice inside my head, the one that says, “It won’t matter if it’s just once.” I have to make the right choice - the answer has to always be, “Yes it WILL matter.”

    Things I am grateful for today:
    My wife’s continuing support
    My daughter’s excellent writing at school
    The start of my holidays
     
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  8. Psalm27:1my light

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    It will matter if it’s just once. It will matter more than you will ever understand or know. Besides, who are you kidding, it’s never just once. Never.
     
  9. Warfman

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    So I expect that they may be quite uncomfortable talking about sexual behavior at all with their kids. My parents are that way. I think it's an important thing parents need to be more open about with their kids. Rather than leaving that for society to teach their kids about. I wouldn't worry too much if they don't bring it up. Don't put too much value into their approval.

    Good job and glad you are doing well!
     
  10. Warren of fleabags

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    Day 27 - so without going into too much detail, I seem to have developed a case of IBS. I have had this in the past when stressed about things - this is obviously a delayed reaction to the first weeks of this process. I refuse to let it ruin my week. It’s just highly annoying (and a little embarrassing).

    I was able to speak to my parents yesterday morning - I was the one who brought it up in the end. My mum seemed more willing to talk about it than my dad. I spoke to my wife afterwards and said that I think I just have to accept that this is how it will be. Anyway, in terms of approval and support, she is the most important person for that.

    I also yesterday came across a potentially triggering situation - a picture on an email which I would almost certainly have used for my own pleasure. I’m glad I dealt with it in the right way and told my wife about it too. It was just a reminder that there is a long way to go and these types of triggers could be lurking anyway in life.

    Things I am grateful for:
    My wife putting up with being woken up by me and my bowels early in the morning and being happy to talk at that time.
    My parents - for what it’s worth they do care about me.
    Sport - so much of it on this weekend and I can’t get enough of it.
     
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  11. Warfman

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    Her approval is definitely important but I think the most crucial person's approval the addict needs through reboot is ourself. If you approve of yourself you are removing the shame and deceitfulness from yourself. Instead of hiding from the fact that we don't approve of ourselves and running from that by acting out.

    As far as your parents I don't think it's an approval issue I'm sure they love you just as much no matter what. It's that they haven't had the right tools in their tool kit to know how to communicate about this. So this is something that would take quite a bit of time and effort on their part to be able to do. Sounds like your mom is willing to make that effort.
     
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  12. Warren of fleabags

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    Day 28 - yesterday we went out as a family on a day out that we have all been looking forward to. It was great until my wife’s mood suddenly changed. When I asked her what the issue was, she said she had seen me looking at another woman and that I had been acting weird afterwards. I assured her that I hadn’t and would not do anything this stupid to jeopardise my recovery. I am making sure I keep my focus where it needs to be. She said that she would give me the benefit of the doubt. I know I’m not lying to her - I know I didn’t do anything wrong. But what scares me is that my constant abuse of her trust may one day cause an issue that isn’t my fault but takes things back to where we were a couple of weeks ago. Having said that, the fact that she is still here at all should be enough for me. I said to her before she went to sleep last night, “It’s going to be okay,” and she replied, “I know it is, that’s why I stayed.”
    I love her so much. I have been such a total arse to her. I have so much to pay back for with my actions.

    Things I am grateful for:
    She has stayed with me through all this shit.
    Stomach issues seem to be resolving.
    Family times.
     
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  13. I think this is quite common, especially for those still early in their recovery/healing...on both the addict's and the SO's sides. At a time when everything still feels so raw and emotions continue to overwhelm (or there isn't enough progress yet to acknowledge and experience all of those feelings), there are likely to be some skewed perceptions during these types of incidents.

    However, I think it's fair to mention that there are occasions when the addict may do things they don't even realize they do, and, because the SO is generally very alert to these behaviors, they might notice even the slightest bit of ogling. Since people's perceptions can be greatly influenced by their personal experiences and beliefs, the addict may believe they merely glanced at another woman for "only .5 second" while the SO believes their partner was ogling and feels certain their partner was staring for "at least 5 or more seconds." And, in reality, it was somewhere in the middle.

    I'm not saying you were ogling or acting weird at all because I have no idea if you did or not. I'm just saying there are times when the addict does something that is so habituated due to the addiction that they truly are unaware of it, and therefore, they actually aren't lying when they claim to have no misdeeds.

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  14. KevinesKay

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    The S-Fellowships taught the 3 second rule. Such bad advice when someone like me goes from zero to pervert in less than half a second.
    It took me a long time for me to accept that I cannot give myself permission to glance. So I practice the zero second rule. Me trying to practice glancing without lusting is like a recovering alcoholic trying to practice drinking without getting drunk.
    As challenging as it is, (and it is challenging) it's so much easier for me not to look than it is to look without lusting.
    My wife knows this about me, and it's very reassuring and comforting to her when she sees that I'm not lusting because I'm not looking. She said to me once that many wives wouldn't find it acceptable if their men had to go to such extremes to avoid lusting; that they should be able to look without taking it to lust, but that she's more okay with me. And I found that reassuring when she said that to me.
     
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  15. Warfman

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    I think this ties in well with the approval part of reboot. If we put too much stock into the approval of our partners moments like these can make us feel like our efforts are all for nothing. Even when that isn't true at all.

    That's why I think the number one person's approval we need is ourselves. It takes some resiliency in moments like these to not fall into a relapse because when our partners makes us feel they don't like something like ogling we then feel that hopeless, worthless feeling that pulls us into the addiction.

    That's not too say our partners approval isn't extremely important but I have found this to definitely be true for me.
     
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  16. Psalm27:1my light

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    When I point out something my husband is doing that is not conducive to recovery ( such as ogling) it has nothing to do with approving or disapproving of his behavior . It has everything do with the fact that addicts lie to themselves and don’t “ see” a certain behavior at all or don’t see it as harmful. I have truly gotten to the point that I don’t give a Fu** if my husband wants to look at other women. What I do care about is his sobriety and recovery. My husband has never had a problem with ogling. Never. However as he has gotten further into recovery he notices attractive women more. I will always point it out matter of fact so that HE is aware of what he is doing and if he needs to look deeper or do more recovery work. He is the one whose life is at stake here. Not to be cold, but I can always get a new husband or a life without the trouble of living with him. My kids will always love and be loyal to me, not him if he isn’t in recovery. They have lived with this their whole life. They see it as much if not more than I do. They know when he’s slipped
    or relapsed just as I do. There is a lot we see that he just doesn’t when he is using.
     
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  17. Warfman

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    I was specifically talking about the importance of the mindset for the person working on recovery. Approval and disapproval is a HUGE part of the addiction. Especially for someone who is seeking approval of their spouse. I don't think this topic belongs on Warrens Journal past that. I did respond to this on hope's other post on my thread.
     
  18. Warren of fleabags

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    I do think there is some truth in this. I certainly don’t remember ogling any woman that day.

    The fact that she has given me the benefit of the doubt is an encouragement.

    Absolutely - although I am desperate to change for her, I’m also desperate to change for myself. I don’t want to be that person.

    I think that’s so true. My wife knew something was wrong all the time I was using, even though she didn’t want to confront it. My relationship with her right now is so much closer and better than it has been for a long while.
     
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    Day 29 - a better day for my wife and I yesterday. We spoke about things I had been reading on the forum. One of the things that I have been reading about is PE. This is usually an issue for me and we were both interested to see the links between PM and this. When we had a discussion the other night about what we like and both want intimately, I said this was my thing I wanted to improve on. We are going to work on it together before we go down the road of pills/sprays etc.

    Things I am grateful for:
    My gorgeous wife
    My daughter asking to help clean the car and giving me some quality time with her.
    My parents looking after the kids today so my wife and I can go out today.
     
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    Day 30 - I have made it to 30 days without P and M. It has been relatively easy on the whole, give or take a couple of minor wobbles. I really don’t think I would be here without a couple of factors:
    1) my wife and her support. I am just the luckiest bastard alive right now to have her backing me up. I cannot let her down.
    2) a routine of strict vigilance - cutting down my screen time on my phone, leaving the room if something triggering appears on the TV. Yeah, it’s hard sometimes but it’s worth it.
    3) counselling and talking about stuff here on NoFap. Even the sad stories - they give me motivation.

    Yesterday was such a good day. I took my wife out and had booked lunch and a couple of activities that I thought she would be interested in. I was right - a relief, actually, as I can get this stuff wrong on occasion. She looked stunning and was complimented throughout the day on her beautiful dress. She just beamed most of the day. Only issue was her feet majorly hurt at the end - one of our activities was a walking tour. But she still was so happy and fell asleep in my arms last night.

    I realised how much I miss days like those. We used to have them so regularly and with life, kids etc they just seem to disappear. I have promised her more of them and at some point a weekend away just the two of us.

    Things I am grateful for:
    My wife - my best friend and soul mate.
    Beautiful sunshine.
    Living close to a city where there is so much to do.
     

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