No P, No touch M - still relapse?

I have a question for you.

If you have an urge and does not P, not fantasize, not M by touching the package but O with no touch. Some guys can do that by using different techniques such as flexing your leg muscles, pressing legs together, massage prostate from outside etc.

Is it still a relapse since you O? I lean on thinking it is but what do you think?

 

That sounds like a lot of work, finding a way to O without the P or the M, haha.

I'd call it a relapse, personally. It's still an attempt to reach the pleasure of orgasm, just through a bizarre set of arbitrary rules. If the only thing you really want is orgasm, why not just masturbate? The assumption is then that, because you're participating in these forums, you don't want PMO anymore in your life.