Nofap and sex dolls

This is a hard one in reality, I live outside the US and I often see the mass shootings which occur and I have to be honest. I think to myself that if there were stricter gun controls things like that would not happen so easily. Same with Porn, if it was restricted you would not have so many persons with the issues we suffer. The reality is that I can never see these items being restricted in a manner that will benefit the wider population.

People see access to these things as part of their civil liberties. How do you tell persons they can no longer carry guns when it is a historical and cultural norm. The US would have to follow the Japanese, no one walks around with swords anymore, but I cannot see that happening.

 

Historical norms are subject to change due to changes in public consciousness. Robber baron wealth inequality and subjugation of women and minorities are both historic and cultural norms in the USA but they have been subject to revision.

It isn't a matter of telling people things but raising awareness through education and changes in public consciousness so they enact them on their own democratically. Doing so is a complex task in any society. At the moment, American quality of life and quality of education is going downhill. Perhaps the unrest will spark new movements to benefit the public health or perhaps it won't. It is difficult to predict. But the issues are easy to see.

 

I agree with some of the issues being easy to see. But as an onlooker I can see there is a lot of support for the existing gun laws and people seem willing to fight tooth and nail to maintain them. Also there seems to be no Global outcry regarding gun policy. This is not like racism which is globally frowned upon. And we can all see that there is still a lot of ground to be covered regarding racism.

I also believe what is not so evident is why the occurrence of so many mass shootings? Are these on the increase or is that I can see them now with greater access to international news? What is the motivation for the perpetrator?

I think some of the same things that send persons to porn has some relevance here. Some people are feeling more alone than ever before, with no support or persons to turn to. I can not imagine a life with out good relationships. But this seems to be trend where some persons are sitting on the outside of society looking in. I think social media has done a lot of harm and the upcoming generations have a bigger challenge ahead. Everywhere on IG and Tik Tok you can see women prostituting themselves, loads of content which validate a superficial and material lifestyle. It is almost like social media facilitates a false perspective on life and some people buy right into it.

Enough with my ramble lol!

 

Mass shootings make the headlines but regular homocides with guns are unbelievably prevalent. Someone gets shot in all mid-sized towns almost every weekend. Look at any local news and you'll see that.

There isn't global outcry because its an American problem. Every country has their own problems to worry about and each one is responsible to themselves. They think Americans have crazy and incomprehensible gun policies. Americans just appear as irrational individualists and look at what is happening to the society as a result.

About social isolation, I agree. That's why I am challenging guys here to go offline as much as possible and socialize in the real world. It isn't about a particular social media platform. It's about screentime, in general. People are watching screens for 5, 6, 7+ hours total throughout the day. Social media occupies only a part of it. People are retreating into digital habitats which are isolated from the physical world. They become like zombies in-public who aren't present to reality.

This obviously has physiological changes on the individual. Not least of which concerns sexuality, which is central to being human. That should scare us. But its absolutely normalized.

About social media prostitution, that's the result of pornographication of every aspect of society. And it affects the sexual marketplace as a result. Pornographication objectifies people into bodies and beauty standards. This combines with the post-modern death of civil society, nihilist hedonist materialist philosophy, and lack of a classical education. There is no reference point for challenging the dominant culture in the public consciousness because nobody has read classic literature or classic philosophy. Education devolves into certification and job training.

So like I said, the societal context is a complex entanglement. I just want guys to go on long streaks so they can see clearly how their PMO habit belongs to this greater picture of nihilist-hedonist culture. Then they can get some distance from their addicted thought patterns and start making free choices from a healed brain rather than a compromised one.

I'm not all that interested in NoFap or semen retention, but it is a necessary first step to everything else. It's very hard to practice spirituality, philosophy or anything intellectual when your brain is compromised by PMO addiction. So the starting point is to get past this and then move on to the actually important things. Unfortunately this addiction just grips guys into negative depressive downward spirals of self-hatred and self-disgust and they can never grow into their potential.

 

It is definitely a strange world we live in, I generally try to stay away from social media, for me IG is a gateway back to porn. I have made a point to ensure I socialize on weekends seeing as I really do not get the chance during the work week.

Another worrying trend I find is that society makes it difficult to be a man. The world in general has become more feminine and masculinity seems to be frowned upon. And with all the worldly distractions and devices men are no longer obtaining the guidance young men once did. So many lack a solid male role model to assist with their development as a man. More than ever young men need good role models and mentors.

Navigating this world as a man continues to become more and more challenging, I really wonder what the world will be like in another 30 years.

 

OP, you still around?

 

No matter what the challenge is we have to adapt and overcome it. Complaining doesn't do anything, right? Those who adapt best will be the victor.

 

The discussion started with a guy asking whether sex dolls were an acceptable replacement for sex/PMO. I take a hardline anti-sex doll position and am intentionally imflammatory in order to discourage guys from using sex dolls. My main intention is to dissuade guys from using them in the first place. I don't care about the guys who have already used them. That's not my problem.

Secondly, I would say using a sex doll is socially viewed to be more deviant than pornography. And my feeling is that this is correct. It seems to me that using a sex doll is objectively worse than viewing porn. However, that feeling is more intuitive than rationalistic so I don't know how I would argue it. It is most likely culturally influenced and perhaps in a dystopian future it is normalized that men are fornicating with sex robots just as today men and PMOing. I am against both. I would like to see real intimacy, bonding and mating be normalized.

 

I don't want anyone to take that literally either. I am exaggerating things to make a point.

To anyone out there who has used a sex doll - stop this behavior and stop PMO, and you will be fine!

 

Porn and any kind of porn substitute is a problem in my opinion especially if you have fallen into this addiction. As alpha said, real relationships needs to be your norm, not porn, not PMO, not a sex toy whether it be a sex doll or some other item. Real people, real sex, real intimacy needs to be the norm. Sex toys seem to be the norm for women more so than men. I believe this social acceptance is heavily influenced by porn also. There is no end to porn scenes which make the use of a dildo, vibrator seem normal for a woman. I have seen articles which suggest vibrators desensitize women to real touch. A human can never replicate some mechanical device.

A growing trend where I live is the practice of anal sex, I also feel like this has been normalized by porn. When I was in my teens, anal was still seen as very taboo. Now this is a common practice. While I do not wish to dispute whether this is wrong or right, I can not help but think that porn has popularized it. And I suspect it has influenced many other behaviors as well. It is human nature to be curious and to try things that are observed if they appear pleasurable and normal. It really makes me wonder how far the damage goes.

 

While I can see the appeal of having a physical outlet, something about a doll feels...well, not quite hitting the mark. Maybe it's the lifeless state, or the uncanny valley vibes.

Personally, if I were looking for a non-human companion, I might sooner cuddle up with an Anime Dakimakura Pillow (giant anime character pillow, for those unfamiliar). At least those have some personality and don't take up the whole bed!

But hey, to each their own. No judgement here. What are some other creative alternatives people have found for managing urges during Nofap journeys? Maybe we can brainstorm a win-win situation that satisfies everyone's needs.