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Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by TheCrazyThingIs, Jun 29, 2018.
Walking down the street is already like Karezza for me.
Said the serpent...
It's the porn brain speaking here.
Oh why not a very tiny little bit of lust to give in?
It won't harm you, of course it won't. It's a case of balance.
In the meantime, the counter still shows zero...
Hey! Don't you project your prejudices about snakes on me!
@Roady It's that Abrahamic "good vs evil" black and white mentality as compared to eastern "Yin & Yang balance" mentality, which transcends and goes beyond the limited perspective of good and evil. We clearly have different philosophies about life. I believe what you call the Devil is simply God's alter ego - they are one. Hence rejecting one is rejecting other. When we learn to embrace our darkness, instead of running from it, then darkness itself becomes the source of light.
I say: spiritual orgasms are bad for the human. Practicing that will open the spirit for evil spirits (demons).
In the end you will be enslaved and bound on a very deep level.
That's my opinion. And experience.
What did you experience exactly?
Non ejaculatory orgasms and multiple orgasms are very possible. I have multiple dry orgasms during sex on many occasions. For me it is not something I have tried to control but something that just happens.
How does it feel? Less intense?
Not all of us are here for "monk mode". Many wish to continue an enjoyable sexual life with a loving partner without porn and without habitual masterbation.
If you don't enjoy the discussion then it is easy to find another one that is more suitable to your needs.
It is only a "greed for lust" if that is the attitude you carry into your sexual relationship. You can have an enjoyable sexual relationship with a partner from a space of love. Wether this includes orgasm, ejaculation or not.
I like the discussion. It's quite interesting. Our friend was practicing it on himself, so I asked him that question. I also don't have much to practice on, that's why I posted it in the first place. You guys should be more understanding.
Agreed....Sex and love are intertwined and it is important for a healthy relationship with a partner and the world to learn to live in a space of compassion and love.
It is not less intense. But it is different as you don't get the physical ejaculatory feelings. I am at a point where I still feel the need to go on and have an ejaculation afterward. But if you trained yourself to stop there then you could maintain that non ejaculatory energy. For me good orgasms include intense waves of pleasure throughout my whole body and head that last for several minutes and at times have aftershocks. I have achieved this both with ejaculatory and non-ejaculatory states.
Yes The problem is when we separate out sex and love - or try to.
I do understand that there are different needs for different people. My comment was made with a compassionate tone. Please don't read anything else into it.
Our other friend said that this can be achieved by kegel and breathing exercise. You actually state that you just have to stop at the right moment which means before ejaculation/orgasm. Isn't that confusing?
For me it is a combination of all of the following. 1: Recognising the sensations that orgasm is imminent, 2: Stopping movement and hence further stimulation. 3: Relaxing and breathing through the waves of orgasmic sensation.
I have good pelvic floor control and good awareness of sensation so I have had not had to work on these. Others may find that more practice is required.
I don't do this on a regular basis only when I feel the situation is appropriate.
Our intercourse should be loving and open in my opinion. Whether or not there is an orgasm is not important. We should give pleasure to our spouse and be prepared to receive it when it comes. We should not pursue an orgasm for its own sake (whether that be ejaculatory or non-ejaculatory). Pleasure should be but a by-product of a good relationship not an end in itself.