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Not A Safe Place

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by TheFiancée, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. TheFiancée

    TheFiancée Fapstronaut

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    Dear all.

    I haven't been very active on this forum for several reasons. One reason I think I have to address now...

    Reading some guys' responses to some of the partners of addicts' posts, I now feel the need to say something about different perspectives on the situation that we (both addicts and partners of addicts) are in, and how these perspectives might (hopefully) change during the process of (be)coming clean and healthy.
    Many guys seem to find it necessary to comment on the female partners' looks, their general health, the way they present themselves.
    I am sitting here feeling angry with a lot of the guys on here who tell strong, wonderful and self-reflected women how they need to change in order to be more attractive and stimulating to their surely also wonderful but at this point in their life addicted partners.

    I am reacting here specifically to the often expressed notion that attraction between two people has a lot or everything to do with their looks and fitness, and that if attraction/intimacy/interest in the partner decreases (as it often does when one of a couple is addicted to porn) the not-addicted partner just has to eat more healthily, work out, dress better (i.e. more sexy or "feminine") etc to be more appealing.

    The addicted brain perceives the world differently to the none-addicted brain. It focuses, as some have stated men in general do, on visual stimuli because it is used to that kind of behaviour. Not because it is a male brain it functions in this way, but because years or even decades of visual stimulus of a specific kind (P) combined with the release of endorphins (M+O) have wired it to do this. Yes, the human brain reacts to visual stimuli - of course it does. Choosing to make the visual your sole reason for being with someone however is just shallow. Also, in general a relationship will improve through working on your communication - not by working out. You don't go to the gym three times a week and -poof! - you're in the perfect relationship.... I acknowledge that making yourself feel better will put you in a better mind set and thus will make it easier to change behaviour that is unhealthy (like : not talking about what bothers you, not being honest with yourself or your partner, anxiety, compulsive behaviour of any kind etc...) - but the process of working with each other on several levels (communication, not-sex-related intimacy, trust and so on...) is key to a working relationship.

    Some guys have said that men are just wired to be attracted to visually attractive , sexy women and will always focus on that. However focussing on this can be changed and (porn) addicts are absolutely able to turn behaviour like this around, and it is possible to not react to visual stimulus and re-wire your brain to recognize real intimacy and attraction as a turn on (eventually).
    Anyone who wants to know more can read on all of these topics (written way better than I could) on the your-brain-on-porn website or in the book of the same title!

    Anyway, what is important for me to say is this: our looks and our general health will not change a porn addict's behaviour. This would suggest that him using porn etc. had/has anything whatsoever to do with his partner - it does not. It is an addiction, it was there long before we came into the picture and it is not our responsibility to make him feel better about himself by turning into a sex fantasy.
    I hope these lines are not completely confusing, I have tried to make my thoughts as clear as possible - but I am also really angry so it might come across this way.
    I would like to address all the partners of addicts on here and tell them to not buy into everything some people on here say. There are a lot of addicts on here who have not yet realized what has actually happened to their brains and how their perception is actually controlled by their addiction.
    I have been reading so many hurtful and really not helpful responses to partners' posts that I thought about leaving this website altogether. I feel not safe here, and I consider myself a pretty balanced person. But we (partners of addicts) are incredibly vulnerable at times like this and we need to be very careful not to get hurt even more than we already are. We need support, a support system, not people who are dragging us down. Since I have not many people in the real world out here who I can talk to about this - apart from my fiancé, who is wonderful, open and supportive and we talk a lot and (thank goodness) my therapist (who isn't a specialist in the field of sex addictions, though) - I turned to this forum in the hopes of finding other fiancées and wives and girlfriends who I can talk to and who would understand exactly what I was going through. Luckily, I have found wonderful women on here but I have also been very, very careful because of the many dangers that this place unfortunately holds.

    I am aware that I might come across as pretty full-on and maybe I am. But these are full-on times. It is an overwhelming and incredibly painful topic none of us have chosen to deal with but are forced to in order to not lose our loved ones. We deserve a medal and cake and flowers and never-ending foot-massages!

    Be careful girls! You are wonderful and strong and courageous and beautiful.
    My heart goes out to every one of you - to every one of us.
     
  2. TheWife

    TheWife Distinguished Fapstronaut

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    I too see some of these comments, not very many, but i think that is the nature of an open forum on the Internet. There are all types in a place like this.

    I have seen posts where these occur and members, including addicts, have fiercely defended partners on these comments. The outlandish comments I have seen have swiftly been rebutted and posters put in their place.

    I did look around for a forum specifically for partners and did find one. I didn't stay as it was overwhelmingly 'dump his pathetic ass' and 'kick him to the curb' type comments. It did not have the advice I was needing. Here I do get good advice from some very kind, respectful and knowledgable members.

    You have to take the good with the bad. Don't let it worry you. You don't need to have any more stress in your life than what you already have.
     
  3. DireMerl

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    I agree that these posts should be ignored. But I can see the sense in writing this thread. Its increadibly difficult to ignore someone saying things about Your apearance, just as you're coming to grips with finding out that your husband is a p addict. Feelings of rejection and unattractiveness are already stomping around in your brain. Its hard to then brave writing a journal on here only to have those feelings reinforced by some post about needing to be thinner or prettier. Thankfully these posts don't seem to happen very often. But I would urge people to really think about the effect you are having on others before you post something on their thread. After all, this is anonomous. None of us actually know what the other looks like. Commenting on looks has no place here.
     
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  4. Indeed you do! :) You ladies are awesome and deserve all the cake and flowers you want. I deeply appreciate all the good you are doing here by interacting with other SOs of porn addicts, and for not giving up on your own SOs but helping them through their reboot. That takes a ton of energy, emotional and physical. You ladies are heroes.

    Thank you for bringing up this topic. I will relay it to the moderators and see if there is not something we can do to help. Of course we can't prevent such posts from being posted, but we could maybe write a posting guide for this section prohibiting it.
     
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  5. The ignore function is very useful, Fiancee.

    I'm sorry you've received those sorts of comments, but in terms of its atmosphere I'd say NoFap is very good when compared with the vast majority of internet fora.

    I hope people will continue to argue against that view, but it is just a view and one that people are entitled to hold and express - as long as they express it within the rules of the site. The moderators are very good in my experience and if people are breaking the rules (there's a copy pinned at the top of each thread section) you should report the comments.

    I use this forum a lot. I need it to be a safe place for me too. I'm afraid this means using the ignore function pretty liberally. It's not a particularly open-minded approach, but this is about me getting better, not endless internet arguments (there are quite enough of those already). So, if someone posts anything I regard as remotely triggering to me I click ignore. If someone hits my very broad criteria for "being a dick", I ignore them. And so on.

    In fact, this thread might be a useful way for you to identify a few people who you want to ignore. :)
     
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  6. DireMerl

    DireMerl Fapstronaut

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    I agree that generally everyone seems nice and supportive on here. I think it's just a classic case of boys disrespecting us ladies because they don't understand how to interact properly with the oposite sex. (especially if they are in early days of reboot and still view women as objects). It is just difficult for us to express our feelings when you've got some 'dick' posting stuff about how we should tart ourselves up a bit to solve the problem. I've also seen a few rather 'messed up' individuals who generally seem to dislike women. I saw one thread about how our brains have evolved to be better at lying for instance. That is utter nonsense. Obviously these sad individuals have had a bad relationship experience which has caused them to dislike and distrust women. While it does make me very angry to read these posts, I also feel rather sorry for those people. They seem under the impression that women are another species. It doesn't help that society has forced certain stereotypes on us which now people use as a benchmark for human behaviour and interaction. Sometimes you just have to laugh and brush it off. Xx
     
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  7. The Eleven

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    Wow. I'm very sorry to hear about this. I don't spend very much time in the forums for "Relationships" or "Women" and so I haven't seen any of this myself or I would have spoken out against it.

    I hope you know that comments like the ones you are describing do not reflect how the great majority of the men in here actually feel. Most of us recognize that we -- and our addictions -- are the problem, and that those problems have warped the way we see the world and all of the wonderful women who live in it. Most of us accept responsibility not only for the failures that have led us to this point, but also for the job of fixing things. Most of us recognize how much pain we have caused the women in our lives, and most of us have made a mission out of repairing those relationships and making sure that the women we love know that we love and value them just as they are, and that we will never be able to fully apologize for having made them feel less than adequate.

    I hope you will follow the good advice you have received from others and ignore those who make the kinds of comments you are seeing. You are all human beings and beautiful in your own ways. I pity those who can't see this, and I hope they will find the truth and change their ways.
     
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  8. TheFiancée

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    Thank you so much, @DonB, @TheUnnasumingMammothrept and @The Eleven for caring, reading the thread and for your advice :) I really appreciate it!

    I do know that those guys are a minority here, I have come across many wonderful, respectful and very serious guys who are putting all their energy and love in getting better and re-gaining their partners' trust, love and faith. It is a lot of hard and sometimes painful work, but it will be worth it! My heart goes out to all of you and to your partners.

    I value this forum a lot. It is one of the reasons why my fiancé and I will get through this, I am sure. And I know that as long as we all are careful (it is the www we're dealing with ...) we can give and receive much needed support and friendship here.

    So: thank you so much to all the wonderful people here!

    :)
     
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  9. Handzfree

    Handzfree Distinguished Fapstronaut

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    I've read through your OP and the following threads.... all good stuff. I would assume The Wife can probably relate better than us "bone-headed" guys. As a general rule, the web itself is still the wild, wild west where banks get hacked and your personal data is harvested like a big field of wheat.

    For me I think it is important to realize that this community has people from all areas of the world, various sexual preferences and ages. So, I'll get a full dose of advice from a lot of angles. For the most part, from what I see, people are sincere and they do want the best outcome for people who post here. Those individuals who want to flame people usually fall the wayside after they are challenged from the community at large.

    Is it safe? mmm definitely not 100%, but I don't know of anywhere else someone can come into a community and dump their sexual habits and addictions anonymously and receive support (for the most part).

    Fiancee... I wish you the very best along with your SO. It's obvious you are working through issues and striving for a fulfilling loving relationship. It ain't easy. I would encourage you to keep up the good work.

    Cheers!
    HF
     

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