NOT having sex? Advice please.

Mark

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I've been dipping in and out of this forum for a week or so now, starting the odd thread and helping out where/when I can but don't get much time at all as either working or with kids etc so forgive me if I'm asking a really frequently asked question etc.

Basically I recently became single for the first time in 22 years and decided to make a few changes. One if those changes was to stop masturbating to porn as it no longer felt 'appropriate '' etc so here i am.

What I'm really curious about is that although i notice members are abstaining from masturbating and porn i was wondering how many of you are (by choice) abstaining from sex with a partner?

Im not looking for a new partner or interested in casual sex as I'm happy to spend some time on my own (for the very foreseeable future) for a general all round re-boot but I'm just curious about the sex thing and if people are abstaining from that what their reasons are etc???

I have very mixed feelings as although i do miss sex, and am not sure how i feel about the thought of not having it again, I really like the idea of not being ruled by my penis and not to be turning my head at every pretty girl I see!!

Also, would/does abstaining from sex tame that particular 'beast'??

Many thanks in advance...
 
This my opinion and from what i know...

When you finish, ejaculate...this is when you drain the energy/libido outside of your body. so people get depressed, have less energy to do stuff, less horny..especially if you do it a lot, from my own experience you like a zombie.
This is of course because of masturbation or sex.

PORN! makes you WANT to ejaculate more. it also waste your time on PIXEL women instead of having the real fun physical act. Porn makes you focus more on your penis = makes you want to finish more.
Porn makes your brain want to get more women and every woman is not enough. as there is too much variety.

When you combine Porn + Masturbation...you tell your brain, whenever i watch porn i get reward...orgasm. So your brain rewire itself to get more porn, more orgasms. And the path to addiction is very short.
Go to http://yourbrainonporn.com/ and click on Start Here...you will get some info on the addiction/brain/research stuff.

As for personal path...i decided to be off PMO. porn+finishing...I told myself that when i get the chance i'll have usual sex with my wife (can be once a week). As my goal was to remove the dependency on porn.
Now because i start to feel more energy and it feels good...I consider also not to finish during sex. I practiced tantra before so i know already what to do. I can tell you that the only times when my wife said "maybe we can do it more?" after sex..was when i practiced tantra seriously..so there is positive side for the woman.
 
The_big_o has a good point, but I think there's more to that. As far as I know regular PMO alters the levels of neurochemicals in your brain, and rewires it. That means that even when you quit PMO, your brain still works in a not normal way, because the chemicalhs had been messed with and they need time to return to normal. Every orgasm you have, whether it's on your own or with a partner disrupts the process of letting your brain chemical levels to reach a natural state. Also when you have an orgasm with a girl, the chaser effect automatically kicks in making you pursue more orgasm. Without a partner, you'll easily end up relapsing and going back to porn.

But that's still not all. A lot of guys here do not exactly want to abstinent from PMO, but because we want to change the way we look at women. Cause face it: porn has trained your brain to look at women as sexual objects. However you can't have real intimacy with an object, so even if you have sex with a girl, if you can't contact with her, you'll just masturbating with an organic being, and it's not that different than just..you know, PMO-ing. Because you only care about yourself. That's not the way to unlock your sexualities true potential.

Every one of us is different, so these are just my opinions, and most of them are not even from myself, but I've read them here, on other nofap sites.
So my advice is, that if you really want to become a sexual tyrannosaurus (just like me! Have you seen the movie Predator? Then see it!)abstain from PMO and sex too for 90 days, and you'll see what happens.
Stay strong and stay clean!
 
It sounds to me like you are at the beginning of your journey. I say that because if one reads what EarthDragon says, (as well as the_big_o) one can see he is not at the beginning of the journey by the language he uses, such as "neurochemicals in the brain" and PMO (short for porn, masturbation, orgasm). My mantra here is always the same: Education and tools. Do not believe you will quit the PMO cycle with will power alone. If you are addicted to PMO, and I am, I had to accept that before I could truly begin my recovery. I am not certain you conceive of yourself as addicted, and maybe you are not, but it sounds to me like you are seeking advice on whether you should quit or not as opposed to asking how you can quit. You may be asking the wrong question, meaning you may be so early on your journey you do not believe you should ask it. I am not an expert on human psychology, but I have noticed a lot of guys distinguishing between abstinence and recovery. While I find this particular site very helpful because it allows me to read posts such as yours and reply, meaning it helps me stay educated about the PMO cycle/problem, It's emphasis on abstinence, that is quitting for long periods of time without necessarily addressing the underlying truth about why we compulsively want to PMO, unhelpful. If you can quit PMO by just choosing to, good for you, you don't have a problem. But thousands of us here have tried to quit, and couldn't. That by the way is called a relapse. We relapsed over and over until we got educated. I suggest you visit the site yourbrainonporn.com. Also, go to youtube and search yourbrainonporn and you will find a Tedx lecture by Gary Wilson, a neuropsychologist. What I learned during my education, which I had to learn before truly quitting the PMO cycle, was that I had become addicted to PMO. It helped me to see my brain as addicted to PMO, meaning it helped to learn the problem was above the belt, not below it. From your post I think you have not learned that lesson yet because sex occurs below the belt but PMO (including PMO addiction) occurs in the brain, and you appear to be equating PMOing with sex, roughly. At the beginning of my journey I, too, made no distinction between the two events, but not I understand they are completely different things. What I learned, in my education (and am still learning) is that watching P triggers the release of dopamine in the brain. As part of your education, if I may be so bold, I suggest you Google "Coolidge effect and porn". Though education I learned my brain does not distinguish watching porn, imagining porn, remembering porn from actual sex. The brain's chemical reward center releases chemicals resulting in momentary euphoria to thoughts of either. Problem is: high speed internet porn was not part of our evolution. If we are lucky we have actual sex often, and are chemically rewarded for it, but HSIP represents, to our brain, a limitless source of sex. As a result of HSIP, our brains (that is the brains of those of us who are addicted) come to crave it over actual sex. There are tools to breaking the PMO cycle. I, for instance, use porn blockers, I come here to read and to post, I use Google safe search to block certain sites and search phrases, I have identified triggers that I try to avoid. (Could be something as simple as not focusing on a cheerleader during an NFL game, but certainly avoiding P altogether. Part of the problem many of us have in the beginning is not recognizing that things that are not porn can still trigger PMOing. I note this because you write of looking at pretty girls. Looking at pretty girls is natural, but for a guy like me, dangerous, as it can trigger the urge to PMO, so I consciously avoid thinking of pretty girls in an overtly sexual way). As for abstaining from sex with a partner, there is a lot of conflicting advice out there. I developed PMO addiction with a partner and I have quit it with a partner. My problem, at its worse, was that I could have sex all the time, but could not O with my partner, only with P. This led to her having self esteem issues which led me to beginning my journey to quit the PMO cycle. Until I got educated and started using tools I always relapsed, but since consistently using education and tools I have not relapsed for quit a while. Now I never watch P and I only O with my partner, never with masturbation. That was a process, not an event, it took time. For a while during that process, when I did begin to O again with my partner I was still imagining P to do it. Now, I am 18 months into my recovery, about 4 months with education and tools, and I only O with my partner, and only think of her when I do. Twice to three times per week. If your brain's reward center has become unbalanced by the prolonged use of HSIP I suggest you recognize that and try and deal with that immediately. I don't say don't have sex, but I doubt you will have a satisfying real sex experience until you break the fantasy sex life represented by the PMO cycle. Again, if you have no problem with PMO, then I suggest having a regular sex life. Unless you are a monk I see no point in purposefully abstaining from a regular, loving, committed, sex life. But be careful, as there are sex addictions outside the PMO cycle. Good luck in your journey and thanks for allowing me to post.
 
Thanks guys for your detailed and thoughtful responses. Lots of food for thought there so going to have to chew over it all for a while. Just to add though I'm feeling strong and clear about my situation/reasons for being here etc.

I guess staying away from porn is my main objective and I'm going to study the 'your brain on porn' site as much as I can to strengthen my resolve. I'm also going to abstain from masturbating at least until I am absolutely certain I wont be involving porn. And as far as sex is concerned, well I'm recently split from my wife, I wont be ready for a relationship for quite some time (want/need a complete re-boot, spend some much needed time on my own etc- which I'm actually quite enjoying in many ways!), and I have no desire for casual sex whatsoever so for the foreseeable future at least I guess that's my own question about whether to abstain from sex or not already answered! I guess I just needed to clarify all that for now which is very helpful so thanks again.

I guess viewing women as sex objects is the main thing I want to move beyond so of course the porn has GOT to go for good.

Many thanks again.
 
I have been having occasional sex with my girlfriend (given my travels, about once every 2 weeks). It is different than before as 1) I have told her about the porn addiction, 2) I realized that I didn't really know how to make love to her - pretty much everything I knew about sex had to do with what I had seen online, which is fantasy not reality, and that even if I had known how to make love to another woman, that doesn't mean I know what works with this woman. So, I am learning, which means being in communication in a way I never have before.
 
I found my porn and masturbation addiction was seriously affecting my sex life with my missus. I struggled to get an erection, even using Viagra. I struggled to control when I ejaculated, due to nerves and having trained myself to come quick when pmoing.
now ive been off porn, masturbating and even making myself erect to prove I can get erect I am finding I enjoy sex more. we have had it 3 times since I quit porn and m, I still have nerves but im enjoying sex more than I have in a long time. real love making, not just the quick release from pmo.
 
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