OF/Camgirl Addiction (advice)

work.in.prog.

work.in.prog.

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Hey everyone, so I’ve had a problem with subscribing to OF models since 2020 & over new years started getting into cam models. I’d love any advice from anyone who has had the same experience & managed to overcome it. I have many other P related problems but these specific ones have been a recent struggle. Basically I’ve closed accounts only to reopen them, this last time though I closed an account/changed & purposely forgot the password so I couldn’t access it again, + did the same for the email connected to it, but I’m finding myself still on the site just "window shopping” from the outside. I know it’s bad but my brain has been conditioned to like it/& prefer it over porn because of the connection & interaction. I’m not in the best financial position to blow my money either, so it’s been quite concerning. Again, any advice would be appreciated, preferably from someone who has had exactly the same struggle with it. Thanks.
 
Thankfully I never got into OF but I went through a bad cam addiction that started in 2020 and lasted for about 2 years.

The credit card I used on cam sites I used it exclusively on cam sites. After making another payment on the card, I researched and found I had spent about $5000 per year for 2 years. Seeing that I spent $10 grand in 2 years was the wake up call I needed. Following are the steps I took (I'm not saying it will work for everyone, but it worked for me)
  1. I taped a post it note to my computer with the number 10,000 on it. It was a reminder of how much I have spent and seeing it regularly it gave me the motivation to quit cam sites. Any time i thought about going on a cam site, I would see that number and think "what could i have done with 10 grand? I could have taken several great vacations, it's a down payment on a new car, I could have done some home remodeling repairs." I just start listing anything I could think of that would have been a better use of the money then a cam site.
  2. At times when the note did not feel like enough to keep me away, I would talk to myself and speak out loud something like "You know the girls don't like you on those sites. They are only using you for your money. In reality they are probably grossed out by you." It was the reminder I needed sometimes to keep me away.
  3. I changed the password on the cam site to something i would never remember.
  4. i changed my e-mail to some fake e-mail and something I would never remember.
I will fully admit, i could just create a new account and use my real e-mail again but I felt #3 and #4 were important so I would lose access to my account on the cam site, and not creating an account was part of my fight to conquer the addiction. It took time but eventually I was able to take the note off my computer and I have not been back to a cam site for several years.
 
Damn, $10,000 is crazy.. glad you got out of it! It sucks how easy it is to throw money away when it comes to this.. I haven’t quite reached that amount but I’m pretty sure collectively between OF & the camsite I’ve spent almost a grand. It’s still money I could of still had, but now I don’t, & yes.. they only want your money.. they don’t care about you.
 
I had a brief stint of being addicted to window shopping on cam girl sites. What got me was the obvious fakeness of the interactions, but I was quite different, I enjoyed asking the girls to see their feet and then being made to pay $$ for the privilege of looking at their feet. Like the dynamic in my head was, they are superior, they can literally lay around all day showing their bodies whilst i have to go out and do HARD GRAFT, physical hard work to make any kind of a living. And that excited me that they were above me and had such a luxury lifestyle, all I could hope to do was worship them and get a glimpse of their feet.

But something changed where I just became way more interested in saving money and satisfying myself in less costly ways. I don't think it was ever a problematic addiction for me.
 
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277joe said:
I had a brief stint of being addicted to window shopping on cam girl sites, particularly Live Jasmin. What got me was the obvious fakeness of the interactions, but I was quite different, I enjoyed asking the girls to see their feet and then being made to pay $$ for the privilege of looking at their feet. Like the dynamic in my head was, they are superior, they can literally lay around all day showing their bodies whilst i have to go out and do HARD GRAFT, physical hard work to make any kind of a living. And that excited me that they were above me and had such a luxury lifestyle, all I could hope to do was worship them and get a glimpse of their feet.

But something changed where I just became way more interested in saving money and satisfying myself in less costly ways. I don't think it was ever a problematic addiction for me.
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Yeah it’s all absolutely fake! I’m glad it wasn’t a hardcore thing to kick for you. The cam side of things is still new to me so it’s all intoxicating, even though I know it’s not a real connection. Again, the interaction is the best part for me, which is tricking me into thinking I’m actually building a relationship with some of the girls, a few of them are pretty good at convincing me we’re actually really close, as I’ve had deep conversations with them, even about porn addiction! It’s a little fucked.
 
The only long term answer that works with my escort addiction is breaking down my anxiety and getting into dating, practicing being vulnerable with women in a setting where you aren't throwing away hundreds of $$ for the privilege of interacting with a female. You can start to get more "natural" chat and satisfaction. Yeah its still all a bit artificial, as I believe that true peace and intimacy is found within yourself, rather than going out seeking it from other people. But its way more real and genuine than cam girl sites/escorts.
 
@277joe please don't mention the name of cam sites. A few years ago, a guy came on this forum and named a cam site he went to. Out of curiosity, I went to the site and got addicted to it. Not saying he's to blame for what I did, I decided to visit the site, but if he had never mentioned the site I would have never been curious about it.

Anyway, I got into debt by spending money on camgirls. That was a few years ago. My sister found out I got into debt and helped me out. Since then, I've been extra careful with my money. I hardly spent any money on it and tended to use OF because it was cheaper.

I've pretty much stopped with camgirls and OF. What helped was deleting my accounts and the email account I would use for porn. I just can't be bother to set up another email for porn, so I tend to stay away from such sites.
 
work.in.prog. said:
The cam side of things is still new to me so it’s all intoxicating, even though I know it’s not a real connection. Again, the interaction is the best part for me, which is tricking me into thinking I’m actually building a relationship with some of the girls, a few of them are pretty good at convincing me we’re actually really close, as I’ve had deep conversations with them, even about porn addiction!
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I get how it can be intoxicating. Recently I discovered this porn app and I found it incredibly addictive. Fortunately, it's been shut down and while there's a part of me that's disappointed it happened, deep down I'm glad it's happened. I hated how I felt after using it.

You may want to listen to this podcast. In it, they track down a former pornstar now camgirl, who explains all the psychological tricks she uses to get guys to send her money. It's amazing she was so open about it, I expect she thought guys who go to camgirls won't listen to it, but she's wrong.
 
I would suggest 2 things:
1- Give the credit card to someone of your family (or someone who is truly realiable) to take care of it. Tell them your problem and they should only give it to you if you want to buy or pay something. In the exactly same second you did your purchase, you should give your credit card back to this person.
2- Donate to a local church, charity or something a bit of money everytime you relapse. If you start getting low on money, I believe you will push yourself to stop spending money on sex workers and abstain from PMO.
 
I've said this numerous times, and I'll say it again. These behaviors that we're trying to avoid are not the real problem. They are symptom of deeper rooted problems within me.
And until I stop paying so much focus and attention on the behaviors, the symptoms. And start looking at some deeper rooted problems within myself, then my subconscious will continue to work against me and undermine and sabotage my conscious efforts to stop these behaviors.
One such problem of mine which I know just about everyone can relate to is the problem of connection. Without having a support system of other men in my life looking out for my personal and spiritual growth and well-being, I'm putting myself and my recovery and a serious disadvantage. Those who do better have a support system in place such as a 12 step fellowship. Please consider
 
I had had a long-term addiction to a particular camera model, who disappeared February of last year. You are correct that the interpersonal connection and interaction makes this addiction unique. Still, I found it possible to increase the lengths of time away from her and others of her kind.

Don’t think of this as PMO; instead, you are trying to break particular interpersonal connections, like a break-up. I found myself working through stages of grief in my own struggle to do so,
 
LifeSaviour said:
Donate to a local church, charity or something a bit of money everytime you relapse. If you start getting low on money, I believe you will push yourself to stop spending money on sex workers and abstain from PMO.
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There's an organisation called Treasures and they have a program like this. They help women leave the sex industry, and the programme is called the Restoration Fund. The idea is, you give the same amount of money you spent on the sex industry to an organisation that's helping people in the industry. Of course, they would like for you to give it to them, but you give it to an organisation you want. You can read more about here (scroll down to the 'Restoration Fund' section).
 
I haven’t had experience with camming specifically, but I have had experience with dispelling the lie and I mostly want to support what has already been said. Delete the accounts, restrict access, do what it takes to slow your reset process down. That’s the extremely short term. In the slightly longer term, you need to reset what you believe about cam girls, and belief does not come quickly.

You like cam girls because you crave relationship, and cam girls offer the illusion of relationship. It’s a lie. They don’t have a relationship with you, they aren’t better than you, and they don’t offer anything of value. You want to seek relationships with people who like and appreciate you, not denigrate and demean you.

It’s going to take a long time and a lot of repetition to disabuse yourself of the lie, because it’s one you want to believe, but it can be done. You can do it.
 
dokiman said:
Not really when it's so easy to spend hundreds in just one night. I have spent way more than 10k over the years. My problem is pre-recorded and custom videos from these girls who will do anything you want for the money. It's a powerful addiction!
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I guess it helps that I’m poor because I’d be ruined if I spent that much, personally, I guess it’s a positive factor that helps me hit the breaks on it. With the custom videos/photos stuff, oh boy.. I’ve been there, I know exactly how that goes, once you discover it it’s hard to stop.
 
KevinesKay said:
Those who do better have a support system in place such as a 12 step fellowship. Please consider
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My experience exactly. NoFap is one of my recovery tools, but an addict like me needs to be fully immersed and actively working a program of recovery. Being part of a 12 step community (in addition to NoFap) has enabled my recovery to be exponentially better. Having specific guidance in regards to a framework has been life changing.

Thanks for bringing this up @KevinesKay.

Wishing everyone the best!
 
KevinesKay said:
I've said this numerous times, and I'll say it again. These behaviors that we're trying to avoid are not the real problem. They are symptom of deeper rooted problems within me.
And until I stop paying so much focus and attention on the behaviors, the symptoms. And start looking at some deeper rooted problems within myself, then my subconscious will continue to work against me and undermine and sabotage my conscious efforts to stop these behaviors.
One such problem of mine which I know just about everyone can relate to is the problem of connection. Without having a support system of other men in my life looking out for my personal and spiritual growth and well-being, I'm putting myself and my recovery and a serious disadvantage. Those who do better have a support system in place such as a 12 step fellowship. Please consider
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You nailed it. Like I should have said it myself. I finally gathered the courage to see a therapist and working through my deeper issues. The deeper issues is the REAL problem, not the symptom which is PMO/camgirl addiction. Think if the iceberg metaphor: The tip of the iceberg over water is the addiction manifest, but the biggest part is underneath the surface. That's where all the traumas and past experiences lie which create the behavior above surface.
 
its a subsidy for real life

real life is a struggle

online is easy indact its so easy its been called the crack cocaine of the porn industry

you are basically streamlining human intimacy.

usually you find someone online who just does it for you, they turn you on , and stimulate you mentally and sometimes emotionally. you chat to them and they perform sexually . there is a kind of mutually sexual connection. women vary but depending what your into you will know if they are horny and you vibe then so you know wether there into or not. your watching a performance artist live. you can tell this person freely how attractive you think they are and generally i have found models are open to reciprocating, i mean if what you say is genuine and fresh models like the attention. this is basically the best parts of a relationship expressing your feelings for someone and its very easy because they are so sexual. it's addictive

i watched models for years but didnt interact that much. it was when i discovered one model and i just vibed her, talking to her was easy and being intimate with her was very easy

wether your single or in a relationship anyone can get addicted to cams because your speaking to a live person and maybe ots there sex appeal its there personality and there openness its a very relaxed environment maybe its only one model you like the most oit of 100s and thats why you keep going back. why?

because they are real people. its not porn where you can clearly see it has been planned and executed. for a 30 minute porn scene they are real people with real emotions you need to be completely socially inept to not notice what they feel and how they respond so its easy to get hooked

i have liked a model for a while its not even really about infatuation anymore because i know that wont ever hat, BUT i like how she makes me feel when i view her or chat with her why because she is a beautiful person not just physically she is just a true professional and she is human . when you get to understand models you get to understand some of them are similar to us they are human they are horny and some are lonely .
they put themselves into there work but they are human they have Normal human emotions like anyone else so treat them rught amd they do the same. but people forget what exactly it is it is there job its a transactional business. people forget that and essentially its kind of insulting to the model who is performing something very intimate.

its really up to you what you do with your money , i know if i had emdless flow of cash i would have no problem tipping this girl everyday if i was extremely rich i would have no issues slowly helping them as a cam model why? because she is a great performer, she is beautiful, she is polite, she is sweet and she is professional. but i do not have endless stream of money so i have to yhink wisely about how i spend my cash. i occasionally watch and tip but i only interact when i tip because i find it is actually very rude when you think about it if you do not tip . and its very difficult to not want to interact once youve started viewing. cam shows are a rich man's game which is what models are looking for they are looking for middle aged men married or single and are financially stable or rich. as a youngish and single male not settled in my career, its not exactly something i can cater to any time I want .

but there is a model i like she is basically the only model i have continued to view on a regular basis. she is honest about it she days she doesn't like guys feeling like they have to tip her because she doesn't want people to view it as she is begging us for tokens she only wants people to tip when it comes from the heart ie when you vibe her and its just fun. i don't know she is fit as F and eberytime i view her or chat with her my body temperature is amped she is just very relaxed intimate and beautiful so that is where i draw the line.... basically respect the model and watch occasionally and tip and have fun with it cam models are real people.

obviously if you are committing to NoFap your goal should be NoFap

some people talk about traumas. i had a volatile childhood and upbringing , which probably i find cam models very easy to communicate with as most people i dont trust easily, im fact the only people intrust are my family and even then i have moments im not even sure .

i know one model and there is something about her i just can relate to not just emotional but in a sexual level shes younger than me too but she knows herself so much better than i did . so she is addictive she is interesting. is it porn ? its sexual .... but porn is a different kind of performance.... people complain about porn because they think it creates unreal expectations..... when cams is literally nothing but consent and mutual interaction

my main concern is financially it could be a problem if practice NoFap sure avoid . ultimately though you need to be aware that you will lose in the end its not like you ever actually get the girl. your paying to watch her performance and in a way support her .

its enjoyable if it wasnt no man would be married but in the end you will move on and how long before you realise that how much money you spent.

its tricky. this model is incredible so im not trady to just quit but if i was spending alot and into money i needed I would have more pressure to.
 
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