OK Lets talk Jeffrey Toobin losing his job for a Zoom PMO...

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  1. Springjim2000

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    OK, if you have been too busy undergoing your cold-showers or working-out, you may have missed this one:

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/19/jeffrey-toobin-was-masturbating-in-front-of-new-yorker-bigs-report/

    Whoa there! WTF?!

    We here on this Forum, more than others, need to have a degree of sympathy for this man, albeit he's not getting much for the wife-cheating-zoom=masturbator that he clearly is. The Me-too Gang are really going for him.

    And whilst he might not be everyone's idea of their cuddly 60-year old uncle (ex State Prosecutor,) he nevertheless is a PMO Addict, like many of us on NF.

    Reading into the actual 'act' - where he lowered his trousers and PMO'd while forgetting to switch his Zoom camera off - many comments have been along the lines of "He must have been so bored on that call"

    But i don't see it that way.

    When an image of P gets in your mind, it can be so powerful that you cannot get rid of it - except by acting out to it.

    Do you agree?

    I don't think he was bored. I summise that he had been foolishly looking at a particular image/clip of Supernormal Stimulus (P) and he could not concentrate, focus, escape it unless he acted out.

    And that my friends is Addiction in it worst form. Poor man he needs a Reboot, badly.

    What do you all think?
     
  2. WOODROW

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    Is there an actual video of him doing this?
     
  3. Little Prince

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    No sympathy from me. Most men are addicted to porn, you don't see them act on it in such inappropriate circumstances.
    Sure he needs help and he's addicted to porn but what's the point of this post? Feels unnatural.
     
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  4. WOODROW

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    You are so correct. My parents taught me self respect.
     
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    Well, the point of this post was to hear views and have a discussion about a bloke caught in the PMO act - and losing his job and reputation plus a whole load of self-respect.

    You can't seriously believe it was his intention to act out in front of his colleagues? Of course not, he was being risky and by not turning of his camera, he got busted. More fool him.

    But i for one believe most people can emphasise with his plight on here NF. Who are we to cast stones about this habit? Has any one here ever left the tissues out, or the hand lotion to be found by someone else?
    Or had to swiftly do up your pants as a SO/parent/child approached up the stairs...?

    There is a shame and stigma in this addiction and that ain't goin' to change.

    The other point of this post about this man is for it to be a pointer of what we here don't want to come, namely a 60+ man still needing to jerk off whenever he feels he has a slot.

    By seeing his very public mis-fortune, it should help drive many of us on to escape from this cycle of addiction.
     
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  6. sclguy

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    Depends on how things actually went down. If he thought he was off the call and was privately minding his own business, and not somehow wanting to share his private parts, it was a dumb accident. If that's the case he wasn't pushing his stuff into their faces out of disrespect or out of sexual misconduct.

    And instead of outright firing the guy and demonizing him even more, it could have opened a discussion on sex addiction among co-workers.

    Empathy is needed if we want to make sex addiction less powerful.

    IF THAT'S THE CASE. If we has getting off on the thought that he might be seen then that's an entirely different situation.
     
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    But simply a more human approach on how we see sex addiction. We can't demonize people who aren't abusive or sex offenders for such mistakes and problems. In the words of Paula Hall (who does a MUCH better job talking about it than I could possibly do)...

     
  9. Springjim2000

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    Interesting talk. Impulsive Control Disorder / Addiction - its all the same. We are just waking up to the potential epidemic of P.
    And i agree about the easy access and limitlessness abundance of P. Its available for absolutely anybody in the world with a connection.

    68 million requests for P every day. P industry valued at $97 Billion.

    Toobin may not be a pleasant man, but he is an addict first and his PMO 'exposure' (he maintains that he thought his camera was turned off and why should we not believe him?) might help make Sex Addiction more talked about and understood by main stream media.
     
  10. sclguy

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    The problem is, it won't. There's not enough people who have watched that talk. It's pretty niche. And the media has already gone out of their way to paint him as a sexual deviant and pervert, instead of a) wondering whether he needs help for his problems b) addressing the fact that this was an accident of what is likely to be an addict, and not an act of exhibitionism.

    The reason why I'm here is not to gain super powers, it's because I want to recover from sex addiction. I haven't told many people about my problems, but each time I talk about I feel the need to clarify that I have never engaged or even thought about illegal sexual activities (or even looking at videos of them , the mere thought makes me sick to my stomach), and that I have never molested or abused anyone. That's because of the stigma attached to the addiction. It's easier to find compassion as a crack addict rather than a sex addict.

    I know what my addiction is, the problems I have and the mistakes I've made, yet I am always afraid that people would associate that to something I'm not. I'm not a sex offender.

    I don't know whether he's done worse things, but in this situation it appears like he's made a very embarassing mistake, yet I see people talking about it as if he had whipped his junk out for the pleasure of showing it to his co-workers. It was a very, very, very dumb mistake. I'm not condoning it. But there's a difference.

    If this really was an accident, and the people will associate what happened to what Louis C.K. did, for example, then we're all screwed. Because it means that right now society sees no difference in that, and that people who need help and are ruining their own lives, without hurting others, are lumped together with people who take whatever their problem is out on others.

    This could have happened to anyone who spends a little too much time masturbating in front of the computer, and is caught in the act in a moment in which he was sure that no one was around.

    Or am I on the wrong path? Is there something I've missed about the story? Was there malicious intent on his side?
     
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  11. This video had my dying. Though I don't like making fun of people for embarrassing things happening to them.



    Also to comment on the topic, no I personally have never wanted to jerk off in the presence of other people. No way of knowing that he's a PMO addict either. It's just an interesting situation.
     
  12. sclguy

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    My question is this: was he willingly jerking off in the presence of other people? Or did he think his camera was off and simply decided for a quick wank (maybe in front of a paid camgirl or whatever, who knows) before the break was over?
     
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  13. There's no way of knowing for sure, and I doubt he will ever disclose that. Most of the times that things like this occur, they seems to be accidental. He risked his career by doing this.
     
  14. sclguy

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    But see, in my opinion, as I've explained before, it's an important point to make, as that sets apart a sexual deviant from someone who simply couldn't abstain beating his meat during a break.
     
  15. Worst case scenario: if his intent was for people to catch him doing it, then I guess that makes him a creeper, but even then he was probably under the influence of strong urges, and we all know what that's like.
     
  16. sclguy

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    Sure, but it would make a huge difference. Anyway, I've watched the video you've posted, and I find it to be on point. He's basically making the same points as me. It all comes down to the intent.
     
  17. Basically yeah.
     
  18. Springjim2000

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    I think Toobin - a lawyer, CNN Regular, former state prosecutor - is (was) a professional who has carefully built his reputation and carreer.

    Sure he has problems. An clandestine affair with another woman shows this.

    And whilst we have no way of knowing, i would bet my house that this was an accident on his behalf rather than him being and perverted exhibitionist (knowing he would lose job and reputation)

    My major point is this: We have all be driven to act out at totally inappropriate times by the addiction within in us, bypassing our normal rational sensibilities.
    We have all also all been caught with the kleenex or the browser history.

    Its so good to be escaping this habit and moving on from it. I do not wish to be in my 60's and still compelled to act out in front of pixelated BS.
     

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