1. Welcome to NoFap! We have disabled new forum accounts from being registered for the time being. In the meantime, you can join our weekly accountability groups.
    Dismiss Notice

One Couple Who Takes On The World

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by wildwood, Jul 13, 2015.

  1. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    Hi there! I had an idea to start a journal for me and my SO @Forte B. could really get down to the nitty gritty of our relationship. We have been having some trouble communicating so by writing things down we can really evaluate what we need to work on in our relationship. If you would like to read about my personal story you can refer to one of my postings about my personal addiction to web-camming or my journal, and if you want my SO's personal story you can refer to @Forte B. to his journal. We both will be posting daily, this is more for our sake but it could really be helpful for new couples entering NoFap. We will be addressing the readers and to each other.

    Negatives:
    -We become very frustrated with each other
    Positives:
    -We bounce back quickly

    I would like to try and reduce the amount of spats we have, we misunderstand each other a little too much which causes most of the fights. I yell too much and he's passive aggressive. It's tough but we love each other and want to improve our relationship (and it has thanks to NoFap), love takes time and effort. I need to learn to shut my mouth, watch my wording and I feel he needs to listen more but also speak his mind.

    @Forte B. I love you more than you can ever imagine. Please understand I need to work on my hard head attitude. I'm too stubborn for my own good. :oops:
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2015
  2. Forte B.

    Forte B. Fapstronaut

    180
    62
    28
    I guess I can mention that I have an awful memory about nearly everything that includes most things me and @wildwood talk about. Not sure if this is because of depression or something else but honestly I forget so many things and then she gets mad at me (understandably so) and then we argue about it. As she sad though, we bounce back to civility quickly and have a good conversation about things. I would just love to not have an explosive argument to get to that calm discussion point.

    Negatives:
    • I am in fact passive aggressive. May stem from my unwillingness to share my feelings out of fear of conflict with you or even deeper than that, my unconscious conditioning that "true men don't share feelings"
    • I have a tendency to space out and stare at random things for a few seconds which causes me to completely miss what is going on around me for that time (probably between a few and 30+ seconds) which causes me to miss what wildwood says alot.
    Positives
    • Like she said, we do bounce back quickly (most of the time at the end of the day) and we have moments of love and togetherness. Those moments really keep me going.
    • Our sex life has gotten better; less me, more us. Nuff' said.
    • We talk way more often than before. Before there'd be periods of days where we never talked (due to my PMOing and depression[​IMG]) and when we did, I wouldn't really care much. Now we talk everyday.
    We need to work on understanding each other when we talk. I need to work on focusing on her and not spacing out. She needs to work on her "inside voice" :D and not getting angry at something and projecting on me. We still have a ways to go but I hope we can stick this out and get better at this. I love you very much @wildwood and I'll see you at 6:30am :eek:
     
  3. Limeaid

    Limeaid Guest

    My husband and I got a lot of help from the Karpman drama triangle. Basically during arguments everyone has a style. For example I become the persecutor and hubs becomes the victim. The more of a victim he becomes the angrier I get! So now during arguments we remind each other about falling into old patterns of arguing and it really helps.

    http://therapyideas.net/manipulation.htm
     
    Forte B. likes this.
  4. Forte B.

    Forte B. Fapstronaut

    180
    62
    28
    Hey @Limeaid that link was informative. I have determined that I am the victim and I believe wildwood used to be the rescuer and now is the prosecutor. She would enable me if I self pitied but now she gets angry and and it's similar to how you used to have your relationship. I believe I need to be more confident with my self in a discussion and not okay the victim.

    Anyways yesterday nothing super bad happened relationship wise as @wildwood had work for 12 hours and I was trying to be as supportive as possible.
    I ended up buying her a huge coffee and a slice of chicken pot pie. She was happy for it and it was a pretty good day relationship wise. Hopefully today will be just as good (minus the 12 hour shift for her!)

    ~Forte
     
  5. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    That article was amazing @Limeaid it really helped in realizing what roles we play in our relationship which is allowing us to call ourselves out when we display aggressive or annoying behavior. We've have been doing the best we have even been in our entire relationship! @Forte B. has been so incredible supportive and very thoughtful. It honestly has been so beautiful between us, especially the moments in where we have realized our mistakes, openly acknowledge and apologize for our behavior.
    I can work on my negative thoughts, it really affects the way I think and feel about @Forte B. which really truthfully sucks. I have been treating them as fantasies in which I nick them in the bud. It has been helping immensely. Another thing is we're pretty cranky in the morning which is normal for the both of us but filled with kisses when he drops me off from work :)

    Today was really good, we were both cranky but again hugs and kisses, I visited him at work and he gave me three big hugs which made my day :p He's also working a double which isn't easy my poor baby :( I miss him very much right now, I could use some cuddles right now :oops:
     
    Blondewife and Limeaid like this.
  6. Limeaid

    Limeaid Guest

    That is awesome! So glad to hear :)
     
    wildwood likes this.
  7. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    Well had a lot to drink during dinner which lead to sexy time and crying. I let my fears of his addiction affecting our future, he held me while I cried and told him everything. My fears of this addicting ruining a marriage, children, our love. It's always been there but I have never told him the extent of it. I am afraid of the future terrified in fact, love can make you feel things that you could never imagine. I never imagined loving someone and being afraid of losing them so much. I don't want to lose us, I want us to be happy. I also understand he sometimes wants to be alone and do what he needs to do but it reminds me of when he was pmo'ing and would do nothing but watch youtube and porn. It's like ptsd or something, I get flash backs and become so anxious and scared. But I understand, sometimes I want to be alone so I can do some things too. We don't live together which makes this weird become we don't spend everyday together. Only thursdays. Sure he takes me to work but we don't hang out so the whole wanting to be alone thing gets me upset. This week was different, we had his house to ourselves (I didn't sleep over). I feel as if this is a coping mechanism for him when h's upset he wants to be alone. Wallowing in his sadness, afraid of facing himself.

    Things we need to work on:
    -not being afraid of our emotions
    -keep going towards our future

    @Forte B. We can no longer be afraid! There will always be fear but it's us who choose to conquer it. I love you more than the universe can hold and I choose to walk with you. We are strong.
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2015
  8. Philip1990

    Philip1990 Fapstronaut

    606
    293
    63
    this is so cool. :) i will look here and try to help.


    You both want to improve at life and your relationship...
    in my opinion there is only two reasons to stay in a relationship : love , and improving together more than alone.

    and you are both doing that. i am really happy for you guys :)
     
    wildwood likes this.
  9. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    Okay, things aren't going so well at all. I feel like we're going backwards, he keeps saying I'm angry because of my job but it's not my job. I actually like my job sure it's hard but worth it. What has been causing my anger is he stopped telling me anything. Nothing about how he's doing (pmo wise, feelings wise, life wise), the fact that I'm the one who has to ask and if I do ask he gets upset. I'm starting to hit my limit. It's getting to that point again. It scares the living shit out of me. And if he does tell me, he sugar coats. He tries to reassure me he hasn't relapsed but how am I supposed to believe him when he hasn't tried rebuilding trust with me in the past 120 days? I think it's time to put a limit: No more lying. Ever again. I will never accept or forgive another lie. My foot is placed firmly down. I will stop being angry and be me. I had do many chances to blow up on him today and I did not. I am choosing to see and do the right thing. We are here to better ourselves as people, together, with each other. Even if it means hearing the ugly truth.

    Issues:
    -he creates scenarios in his head in which I do terrible things to him, which makes him suddenly become angry or upset with me.
    -I do get angry but not because of him, it's redirected.

    To do
    -I'm going to start my daily meditation again.
    -I'm going to explain to him why I'm upset ( when I do become upset) in order to be able to pin point the root.
    -He needs to open up!
    -Always be honest with me!

    I love you. We need to build our trust, it's vital to any relationship! Trust. I'm here for you, for better or worse. You need to understand that. I need you to be here for me too, yes I'm currently mad at you but it doesn't mean I stopped loving you.
     
  10. 8BitsOfStuggling

    8BitsOfStuggling Fapstronaut

    497
    382
    63
    I just want to say first, I applaud your desire to be PMO free, be in a relationship, and to work through it together. HOWEVER, I want to say a couple things that I hope you wont take offensively but rather thought provokingly. They are not to say either one of you are doing anything wrong.

    First, why are you getting angry, if you say it isn't with him? Anger lashing out is never a good thing. Being angry is good, but how you handle it and deal with it is bad.
    Second, you should already be doing this. If you don't communicate your feelings, your thoughts, how is he going to know what your thinking? It is a two way street, your upset because he isn't talking to you about feelings, pmo, life, etc, (please realize I don't know the whole situation), but how can you expect anything from someone else that you are not willing to do either?
    Lastly, "he needs to open up," I hate that statement. People open up typically when they are ready, when you have earned the trust. I don't expect my SO to open up and tell me everything either, it is a trust that I must earn and isn't typically freely given. If you are not going to give him time to have the trusting, comfortable, safe relationship that you (and him I assume) desire, why are you together? It takes along time for some people to open up.

    I hope everything continues to work for you two, I really do, however I encourage you to look at it from both sides of the street. If you open up to him (provided you are ready), then he might in turn. Good luck!
     
  11. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93

    Actually, forte is the one going through PMO addiction. I am his supporting partner. The counter I have isn't for pmo but has to do with the warped sexuality he had towards me. He has problems with being honest and upfront, I have ALWAYS been honest and upfront with my feelings except he seems to get upset when I talk to him in a kind tone (never yelling or screaming). The problem is I already know everything and he still has trouble being honest. It's been over 6 months. It's my trust that has been broken. He has yet to attempt to build trust. I am angry because I have been VERY VERY patient and I do not lash out or yell AT ALL. An addiction is not easy but I have given him PLENTY of chances over YEARS and it's time for more now. He is the one having trouble moving forward. I have forgiven for this past but it's time for a brighter future. I will stick by his side but I cannot fix him, only he can fix himself.( I appreciate the comment but there's much information that you are missing that are both in our journals which you did state) And this is a duel journal we both post to clarify for each other. But again thank you!
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2015
  12. Forte B.

    Forte B. Fapstronaut

    180
    62
    28
    I haven't been too honest about things and I keep slipping back into the whole "I'm scared to be honest" thing over the past week or two, because I get this thought process that she is this "dragon lady" who get pissed too easily at me for no reason or if I say something truthful. I guess I should clarify (and I said this in my journal) that we can both get very sensitive about things, but I tend to get sensitive and I almost make it a self prophecy when I think in the seconds before I see her "oh boy she's probably gonna be a total bitch today" or " oh here we go again, can't wait for the fight of the day" and then I start becoming angry because I expect this of her all the time. This isn't a very good way of thinking and it fact could end up causing way more friction and tension than need be. So I need to work on that. That being said, it's not just one persons fault if a relationship goes sour and it's just another hurdle WE need to work on to become a stronger couple, and one that deserves a future.

    @wildwood the issue and goals list looks good except I would add that when you get mad I almost ALWAYS think it's directed at me wether it is or not, same with me. If I'm ever
    mad, it probably isn't your fault. So I guess in a word: Projection.

    I love you and hopefully we aren't at each others throats in like 5 hours when we have to wake up ;) :rolleyes:
     
  13. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    Okay, lack of communication is the issue at hand. I need you to be able to talk to me. It's causing a strain right now, especially when you're passive aggressiveness comes in. I was being pushy today and I apologize for that, I am now aware of that. It's tough since I'm used to you mostly saying no so a small push would get you to do things (dancing, fishing, running) that would allow you to get out of your room and have fun but I will no longer do that.
    Goals:
    -always communicate how you feel (sad, angry, upset, annoyed ect....)
    -for me to never become pushy!
    -Always be honest
     
  14. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    So last night he finally realized he was passive aggressive. Which is a start. I still feel the lack of my desire for intimacy which is still weird. I just feel mentally and physically exhausted. I'm trying my best to find a good balance but WE BOTH need to work together on this. I don't like scheduling time since I'm used to him wanting his "space". We also spoke about his resentment towards me because I make more money than he does. It makes me want to quit my job. My feelings are mixed up between doing whatever he wants and being able to assert myself. It's tough. I feel as if I am at fault for all his problems (I know I'm not).
    Goals:
    -being straight forward with our feelings
    -scheduling time
    -figuring out what we both want from this relationship
     
  15. wildwood

    wildwood Fapstronaut

    550
    627
    93
    So, we need to seriously buck up. Things have never been so heated and angry. I'm not sure of the solutions, but I'll try to find something. I know when you read this you're going to be upset.
     

Share This Page