Orgasm without ejaculation

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  1. Messedupguy

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    Been reading up about tantric sex and the kegel technique to be able to orgasm without ejaculating . The process involves training the muscle we use to stop peeing mid flow .
    Apparently orgasm is a seperate thing to ejaculation so this technique lets you have multiple orgasms without spilling your seed and losing power . Another technique is to press on area between scrotum and anus and you can feel like a cable and this is what your ejaculate travels through so pressing on it prevents it and the spasm .
    I’ve been practicing this for two weeks now and must say it works . I can stay hard for ages and have not cum once and need no refractory period in between each orgasm
     
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  2. Beekind

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    I think it is harmful. It is similar to edging.
    Dopamine goes very high and stays very high.
    Insomnia and tremors will be the side effects of high dopamine.
     
  3. Messedupguy

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    Well I’ve been practicing this and it’s caused none of the above but had relieved some frustration
     
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  4. BetterMeandI

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    It's real, it worked for me before, but it is best not to do for all the addicts haha. Since it involves having to edge, it will cause relapse what many/all of us are trying to avoid.
     
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    [QUOTE = "Messedupguy, post: 3157786, member: 226118"] He estado leyendo sobre el sexo tántrico y la técnica de kegel para poder tener un orgasmo sin eyacular. El proceso implica entrenar el músculo que usamos para dejar de orinar a mitad del flujo.
    Aparentemente, el orgasmo es algo diferente a la eyaculación, por lo que esta técnica te permite tener orgasmos múltiples sin derramar tu semilla y perder poder. Otra técnica es presionar el área entre el escroto y el ano y puede sentirse como un cable y esto es por lo que viaja su eyaculación, por lo que presionarlo lo previene y el espasmo.
    He estado practicando esto durante dos semanas y debo decir que funciona. Puedo permanecer duro durante años y no haberme corrido ni una sola vez y no necesito un período refractario entre cada orgasmo [/ QUOTE]

    How did you do it brother? I've been trying for a long time without results. On the contrary, it seems that contracting the muscle of the pelvic floor makes me run even faster and if I hold it when releasing the muscle the semen comes out. Could you explain to me if I'm doing it wrong and what should I do?
     
  6. AuwL0ng

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    That's amazing. I want to practice it too, but how exactly do you do it when you practice?
     
  7. I'm sure it's harmful.

    So you are still using sex as a way to cover your frustrations.
    Why not examine yourself and develop a way to handle your frustrations?

    It's just another hack of the porn/sex addicted brain.
    I did hands free stuff myself. Never ever again as it's one the most binding and damaging things ever experienced.
    Never ever again.
     
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  8. Guitoun

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    Stay away from tantric sexual techniques, it is NOT for PMO addicts in recovery !
    My personal experience with this is I learnt how to use my PC muscle to block the ejaculation when I fap. Abd by doing so , I do orgasm to porn but don't really lose any vital energy. I was out of my mind , I felt like I hacked the system. Little did I know that was the biggest mistake of my life. Since then my fap frequency and length doubled. My body was fine , but I fucked my brain real good because of the constant insane dopamine hits.
    It is a trap , I promise you !
     
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  9. AuwL0ng

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    Would you recommend this practice if a person is fully recovered from PMO?
     
  10. Guitoun

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    have you ever heard the expression "once an addict always an addict" ?
    well unfortunately it's true.
    the PMO neural pathways in your brain never truly go away when you are 'recovered'. so no matter how advanced your stage of recovery is, Edging (especially on your own, which is basically Masturbation) will eventually fire up those hibernating PMO neural pathways, and the vicious fapping cycle will be born again.
    Why are you interested in Tantric sex if I may ask ?
     
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  11. AuwL0ng

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    I understand your point yes.
    I'm actually only interested in the control and the strength of the pv muscle to be able to last as long as possible and also not to ejaculate so that your energy is gone afterwards but rather to transform such energy back in your body.
    I'm not sexually active, but just want to learn more how to deal with the above-mentioned topic and if I should do it. As I'm writing this reply now, I feel that I suffer from ED and PE, which is daunting to say the least. I'm on day 79 of no PMO. I'm a 22 y/o virgin and will not practice sex outside marriage. My friends that come along with me since high school are all already sexually active and they always say how easy it is for them to last long, while I'm feeling that I will not be able to last long at all. Since my experience from my days of masturbating, I know that my urge to orgasm and ejaculate is strong and it happens very quickly.
    I thought that Tantric sex might be the answer but I never got close to actually start practicing it.
     
  12. It may well be that when one is blocking the egress of the seminal fluid one merely has a "retrograde ejaculation" in place of an ordinary one. This just means the semen, under pressure, ends up in the bladder. Foamy urine may indicate this. In the event of a retrograde ejaculation, the sperm is still lost to the body; it is not retained.

    I believe this idea of the strength being preserved in one's seed is only partly true. A part of the 'strength' certainly involves the loss of zinc, selenium, copper, etc. as may be present in the semen. But a larger part involves the enervation of the nervous system which requires the replacement of lost/displaced electrolytes in the nerves and brain. This happens with orgasm, and has no direct relationship to the production of semen.

    If one wishes to preserve his manhood, he must abstain from all illegitimate (i.e. lustful) gratification. There is no safety, nor health benefit, to pleasuring oneself.
     
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  13. Tommygun_!

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    Do you have an idea of what the perfect replenishment stack would be after an accidental orgasm? I megadose zinc and multivitamins but would it be wise to also get some Pedialyte and/or make a shake with TB12 powder to replace electrolytes?

    Also, why is it healthier and more impactful to abstain from orgasm than to simply replace everything you've lost? It takes time, like weeks and/or months to regenerate right? Why is that? Does the explanation really dip into the metaphysical world and beyond? There's something uncanny to it, right? Something not yet fully understood by science?
     
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  14. AuwL0ng

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    So can we get to the conclusion:
    Is it possible to have an orgasm without ejaculating? I wouldn't know how that feels because that has never been possible for me.
    Many guys say you must just think of something unsexy while having sex, but I can't think how that is right.
    But anyway,
    So yes, the idea of being able to perform rock solid for extended periods of times is amazing, but how do you do it?
     
  15. Nikolay von Ohrid

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    .......................Secondly Ive trained my PC muscles to the point where I can stop ejeculation at the point of no return just after orgasm. Allowing me to have multiple orgasms a nd maintain an erection and arousal for much longer than the natural way!

    However it feels uncomfortable internally the orgasms arnt as good as the normal way and Im certain my ejeculation just gets forced into my bladder so I dont sa ve my ejeculation at all and I probably risk damaging my internal tubes?

    My question is why on earth dont you loose arousal when the ejeculation goes int o the bladder as apposed to loosing it out the penis?

    Is it safe to do this?

    Lastly am I doing it correctly if my semen ends up in my bladder?

    I will be gobsmacked if you can answer these questions no one else ive tried kno ws or can give a straight answer to them so good luck!

    Many many thanks and kind regards!

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    Great to get your question, Sam.

    I think it's important that we deal with this question, because many good men ar e struggling with sublimation and also the evil theories of Mantak Chia and left -handed (i.e., satanic) Daoists. Where you are going wrong with sublimation is that you have yet to come up with a list of concrete, constructive and beneficial activities that you can do inste ad of abusing yourself. You may choose any of several activities like planning a trip, writing letters to your family, calling your friends, making inspiring webpages, fixing up the house, cleaning and organizing your things - or many relig ious passions as well. After you've chosen what you should do, you should also f ind a way to make sure that you do those things.

    You can set a task schedule on your computer or cell phone, and set it up with an alarm. You can show your list to someone else and ask them to check on you.
    You can show your list to your pr iest or your best friend and make sure others know of your plans to do these thi ngs. You can also write a diary and make sure you ask yourself if you've done th e things you've promised yourself. If you're not sublimating your energies, it's just a matter of better managing y ourself and your schedule.

    Concerning multiple orgasms and such, this is harming yourself far worse than ju st being your average man who abuses himself to porn. It harms the brain more wi th more dopamine rushes. The prostate and other procreative forces are geared up , but are given no release. Perhaps fluids back up into your bladder, like you s aid. Perhaps they get left in the tubes, where they enter and poison your bloods tream. Did you know that:

    1. Left-hand tantrists are all obsessed with sex, and the women they hang out wi th are essentially prostitutes?

    2. They are so busy practicing their wicked arts that they forget there is a God and there's a lot of meditation to do in service of Him.

    3, The act of getting aroused and not having proper release causes great harm to the prostate and other organs. A Chinese doctor here was treating a saxophonist here in Nanjing for prostate trouble and he specifically warned against holding in your creative fluid after great arousal.
    His specific words were, "You might as well slam your prostate with a sledgehammer if you do that." Also, notice that the Arab world is free of prostate cancer, whereas White society is riddled w ith it. We pride ourselves on our freedoms and that women can walk around dresse d in almost nothing. But in fact just seeing women improperly dressed stimulates men, and without release harms the male system. Being celibate, we avoid both lustful thoughts and acts. None of us have ever, n or will we ever, have prostate problems. And considering that 85% of European an d White men die with prostate cancer in their body, that's quite an achievement.

    4. The absorption of crude creative fluid that should have been ejaculated into the bloodstream causes auto-immune disorders and other diseases. If you want mor e information on this, check out this website against vasectomies:
    http://www.do ntfixit.org/

    On this website or in his book it is revealed that the creative fluid spilling into the bloodstream is the cause of all kinds of diseases. Sperm is a foreign substance - like a separate life form - from our own. If it comes in contact with our bodies, it causes auto-immune reactions. Perhaps you've had pr oblems with your health in some other way, and it will be intensified by the lef t-hand tantric practices, because your body will have to fight off these strange bodies within itself.

    In short: get organized, and burn your Mantak Chia book.

    Hope this helps, brother! Dhananay
     
  16. Nikolay von Ohrid

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    all that and much more from the
    Questions and Answers about Celibaty (Brachmacharya) and Sexual Transformation

    part 29

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    Hello, Thank you for your answers in the matter of celibacy.
    Through this, i am so interested to clarify regarding the 'ejaculatory mode' you had explain in the topic 'Advice on technique' asked by one of the seeker to yo u here. You had explained that the semen that got into this mode would not be anymore be transmuted into ojas. The reason for this is that, the process of expellation has already moved. So, i had assumed that it is already considered a loss of the creative fluid.
    Can you please explain it further.
    Cause, i read from another source that one can engage in sex 'moderately' and th e effect is like the one in celibacy so long as there is no ejaculation happenin g. For short,it is tantric mode of sex.
    Assuming one is regular in his meditation,it explained that the fluid that have not been expelled during Tantric sex would be absorbed through the bladder and o ther routes from the pelvic region to higher parts of the body, nourishing the n ervous system.

    *Can you please enlighten us. *

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    Hello there :) Hope you are keeping well.

    Let's get into answering your queries:
    Q. Can one indulge in 'Tantric sex' or say moderate amounts of sex without ejacu lation and yet get the effects of celibacy ?

    A. 'Tantric sex' is a method of enjoyment of sexual pleasure, where the people i nvolved follow a certain mode of life/ practices in order to enhance and prolong sexual pleasure before, during and after the sexual act. It consists of various means to achieve this objective. '
    Celibacy is abandonment of and freedom from sexual pleasure forever in tho ught, word and deed at all places and times.

    The above definitions make them self-explanatory.
    "Tantric sex" belongs to the left hand approach for self-realization called 'Vaama Marga (meaning:VaamaLeft, Marga- Path; the left hand path). 'While 'Self-realization' was the final objective of the 'Vaama Marga' also, the gross aim of tantric sex most often sin ce time immemorial has been sense pleasure and gratification.
    The danger in trea ding this path was profound for a normal man in the age old days itself, let alo ne in today's times without the aid of a masterly guru, proficient in the subjec t. Since the 'Vaama marga' involves indulgence in the sexual act, starting from the physical level and reaching higher states, the risk of a student tripping an d falling into the pit of lust is very strong.

    Sex without ejaculation is definitely much better than with ejaculation, since semen is not lost during the act. Wastage of energy doesn't occur and it does mak e the person reach a certain stage of celibacy. However this comes with conditio ns. By following a life of sexual moderation without ejaculation, a man will no doubt be more of a celibate and a cut above than the man who leads a life of sex ual wastage. This is not really due to absorbtion but due to lack of need for th e body to produce semen. This holds good upto the point of good health, clear th inking and other general health benefits at the physical level. But beyond this, if man aspires to reach the state of 'Soul bliss' or 'God bliss', which has bee n described in the scriptures to be equal to a million times the pleasure of a physical orgasm (Sri Ramakrishna Paramahansa called the magnitude of 'Soul bliss' to be somewhat close to having sex through the millions of pores in the human b ody) a life of absolute celibacy for 12 years, giving up all the sense pleasures becomes mandatory. A man indulging in any form of sexual pleasure cannot become an 'Urdhvareta'. The gates beyond general benefits will not open for him.

    I will explain the rational behind this.
    In a moderate sex life without orgasm, while man no doubt conserves his semen during the act, he also unknowingly/ grad ually develops an attachment/ liking and strong desire for the pleasure generate d from sexual contact. Also since woman is the source of his pleasure, he begins to associate her as an object of pleasure rather than as a soul- 'The manifesta tion of god'. This strong karma for sexual pleasure that gets stored in his 'Kar mic account' ultimately takes him to a state where he can no longer rise beyond the sex plane.
    Any pleasure produced by the five senses (sight, smell, taste, so und, touch) is temporary and ultimately leads man into pain. It really is no ple asure at all as it is 'Maya' or an illusion, a nervous stimulation only and not 'Soul bliss'. Man has to indulge in more and more of sex to get the effect that he first got in course of time. 'The word 'moderation' is relative.
    The limits set by man are stretchable by his own imaginatioin. Further to getting deep into this mode of life, he will ultimately come to a stage where his vital fluid dese rts him directly or indirectly. Once this happens he can no longer rise up the p ath of becoming an 'Urdhvareta'. Loss of semen also becomes an impediment for deep meditation, further to the 'Prana' getting unsettled.

    It is for this reason, scriptures cutting across religions require a man attempt ing self-realization to wholly give up pleasure generated by the senses. As long as there is sense pleasure there cannot be soul bliss. They are mutually exclus ive. God gives us two options: Either to reach out to him shunning the senses an d reach a state of permanent soul bliss or to fool ourselves with the senses, th inking the illusion to be pleasure, while in reality it is nothing but delusion. And finally even the man who chooses senses, realizes very late of them being c heats and has to finally get back to the first path. Also by reaching the 'Urdhvareta' state, scriptures stress a man is bestowed at the end of 12 years with superhuman powers, the vision of god and the fruition o f all his desires.

    At the individaul level, I will suggest a simple experiment you can indulge in t o 'personally realize' this fact. Live a life of strict celibacy in thought, wor d and deed for three months. At the end of these three months, you can tell me t he difference if any that you experienced by a life of meditation with total cel ibacy and no sex. I am eager to meet you again with the report :)

    Trust this helps God bless and have a nice day :) Dhananjay
     
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  17. Nikolay von Ohrid

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    Thanks Dhananjay,
    Your response for my inquiry is worthy to be treasured. It really do. As for my experiences, i was perfectly celibate for more than 6 months in thought, word and deed. Yes, you're right, it was worth the effort.
    I can really tell you honestly that my moods were always full of zest and enthusiasm that time. i even thought that life is full of blessings. During and before this time, i was already practicing moderate meditation and ph ysical exercises. You can call it yoga.it was also a time of serious research of knowledge.

    You know, 'Spiritual knowledge'. Then, i got married. And since 'Tantric knowledge' has already been part of my r esearch, i did tried it for a couple of months. Ejaculation control was perfectl y mastered. no slips you know. But then, i began experiencing mood swings and anger. 'Why', i thought? It's okey you know if it's occasional, but unfortunately, it's more often. Then, i began doubting about the authenticity of 'Tantra'. So now, i resolve to practice moderate non-ejaculatory relations.
    About once eve ry two weeks, or once a month.
    Again, 'life' sets in again.
    That was my experience bro. Dhananjay.
    Now, all i can say is thank you.
    Hope people like you and Ian, would alwasy be t here with a 'sword of truthfullness'.
    It's my instinct, honestly. See you after three months like what you said, hehe..
    Take care.

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    Hello there once again :)
    The benefits of celibacy can never be overstressed. From my own personal experience,
    I have come to the conclusion that they increase with every passing day and are virtually endless; riveting what has already described in the Holy Scriptur es.
    What is required of us is only devotion, honesty, integrity and a strong wil l to enforce discipline. The rewards flow by themselves, and compared to their m agnitude, our efforts pale in comparison.
    As stated from your personal experience, indulgence of sense pleasures in any fo rm results in the formation of the *desire-anger* combination.
    In the Bhagavad-G ita Lord Krishna describes this combo as a two sided sword which is the cause of all evil and pain on earth. He further states that they are born from the Activa ting nature or Rajasic temperament . It is for this reason, celibates are asked to a void stimulating food and company.

    The Tantric approach is akin to walking a tight rope between two high rises.
    Even the slightest gust of wind will send one crashing down.
    If you find giving up sex all of a sudden tough (since your wife and her needs a lso need to be looked into), gradually decrease the frequency over a period of t ime.
    If your sexual interactions are now say bi-monthly, make them once in 20 da ys from the coming month (without ejaculation).
    Increase this period to 25 days the next month and so on. This will give you and your wife time to understand th e benefits of shunning sexuality and the bliss of sexless ness. This is very imp ortant. It is an uphill task for a married man to practice Brahmacharya without support from his wife.
    The right approach is to educate her with literature and experience the benefits of a life of Brahmacharya . Once man and lady are attuned in their approach, celibacy becomes a boat easy to sail.

    Mahatma Gandhi, the world renowned freedom fighter and the father of India and h is wife Kasturba practiced a life of celibacy. Content regarding chastity from t he great man in his biography My experiments with truth are available at:
    - http:/ /www.rkvenkat.org/srvsi.pdf

    P.S: Your query regarding semen in ejaculatory mode is explained in the topic
    Forms of semen Dt. 06/ 04/ 2010 in past answers.
    Trust this helps. I wish whole heartedly that you and your wife achieve great su ccess in celibacy and get into the path of self-realization :)
    Please feel free to revert to me for any questions

    God bless and have a nice day :) Dhananjay
     
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    Isn't this basically edging with real sex?
     
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    [QUOTE = "Guitoun, publicación: 3189956, miembro: 359117"] Manténgase alejado de las técnicas sexuales tántricas, ¡NO es para adictos a la PMO en recuperación!
    Mi experiencia personal con esto es que aprendí a usar el músculo de mi PC para bloquear la eyaculación cuando fap. Abd, al hacerlo, obtengo un orgasmo con la pornografía, pero en realidad no pierdo ninguna energía vital. Estaba loco, sentí que había pirateado el sistema. Poco sabía que ese fue el mayor error de mi vida. Desde entonces, mi frecuencia y longitud de fap se duplicaron. Mi cuerpo estaba bien, pero me cogí el cerebro muy bien debido a los constantes y locos golpes de dopamina.
    ¡Es una trampa, te lo prometo! [/ QUOTE]

    Could you explain how to do it, I have been trying sex for a long time and I can't, on the contrary it makes me ejaculate faster, I guess I do it wrong. I have premature ejaculation and I need to reinforce that point. I would appreciate your help.
     
  20. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    I always felt me having non ejaculative sex with woman could be considered edging. But what was different was this:

    I was able to feel satisfied, that does not happen while edging.

    Compared to normal sex I felt my energy and mood is not drained, but increased.

    Honestly... if u can get sex out of your life completely, its a win. Everything else is a dancing with the devil and I ended up at worse place than if I was full celubate.

    Thing is, most likely this means u will be alone, no woman, no sex, no hugging, no nice talks, no nothing. Its a hard trade to make. Still most likely worth it.

    U gain freedom. And we are ALL alone, relationships are illusions, we are still alone in them. So what really changes.

    Im at the edge of decission. Either its another MAJOR streak or a woman. 1st option I know is right. Fuck :-/
     
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