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Orgasms without masturbation, this weird Taoist stuff

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by interpaul, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. interpaul

    interpaul Fapstronaut

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    At ~3 weeks without PMO I woke up in the middle of the night and had a very unusual intense orgasm that lasted for 20 minutes. It was deeply satisfying and since I didn't ejaculate and I didn't masturbate and I didn't look at porn, I thought it was a pretty amazing gift. A few days later it happened again and it was even more intense and I did ejaculate. I am now trying to figure out if this orgasm stuff is a good or a bad thing. The only down side so far is its so pleasurable, and the pleasure feelings go on for over an hour and result in some insomnia. I know there are a lot of guys into semen retention, I'm just not sure I accept that as the path currently. Any thoughts?
     
  2. seaguy44

    seaguy44 Moderator Assistant

    I have had this type of non-ejaculatory orgasm and I noticed that as I orgasmed, I wasn't tired afterwards. Every time I ejaculate, I tend to get tired and go to bed. This is very common for every ejaculation. So from my perspective, the non-ejaculatory orgasm is good because it doesn't make you be tired (at least it wasn't for me). Did you get tired from it?
     
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  3. interpaul

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    No, I actually felt energized which was great except I couldn't sleep afterwards. Despite the tremendous release I still felt a lot of sexual energy remaining, even though I didn't feel the chaser effect. I just want to be very thoughtful about this as I know how PMO led to some unhealthy pleasure seeking behaviors. But, different from your experience, the second time I did ejaculate which made me wonder if this violates the PMO goal.
     
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  4. No. Spontaneous orgasms do not violate anything because they are not intentional. I would put this in the same category as wet dreams.

    I've had couple wet dream orgasms that were not actually wet at all. They did not last that long tho. I also once had full body, dry chakra orgasm I reached through guided meditation / erotic hypnosis, back in my PMO days. Some fun stuff I gotta say.

    I have a lot of books by Mantak Chia, a Taoist sexual tantra and Qigong master. I haven't attempted any of the orgasmic stuff yet though. And I would not recommend for people before they have fully rebooted, since this kind of pleasure can trigger one back into PMO. But if your body does it on it's own enjoy and be grateful, I can only wish my wet dreams were like that.
     
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  5. Yes, it is porn. Like I said, that was back in my PMO days. Back then I haven't even heard of nofap or the very idea that porn is somehow bad for you, I thought that it is healthy and harmless way how to express our natural sexuality.
     
  6. Thankfull_Joey

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    an orgasm that lasted for 20 minutes, really??

    that's sounds so weird to me!? how does it work? how do you explain it?
     
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  7. I would agree @The_Serpent_of_Fire, as it is not intententional, it´s absolutely okay. Certainly it´s your decision how you value this according to your goals. Are you working on your habits or are you seeking an orgasm-free life?
    I had some similar experiences, but I didn´t ever get to an ejaculation. It always happend around day 20, afterwards it vanished.
     
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  8. interpaul

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    After I had this experience I did a google search and it brought me to a subreddit associated with nofap and I read a number of posts written about similar experiences. The serpent of fire wrote below you about Mantak Chia, a Taoist monk who has written books about this. Since I am in recovery and not sure how safe this stuff is I would be cautious about exploring it at this time as it may not be good during a reboot.
     
  9. interpaul

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    Thanks. I did accept those couple experiences as a wonderful gift after a few weeks of what I can only describe as a feeling of physical deprivation. I guess I'm going to have to really pay attention to the "intentional" part as who wouldn't want an extended orgasm that lasts 20 minutes and repeats a few times. The first episode went on for an hour an a half. I thought I'd achieved what you read about with monks who meditate for 20 years in the Himalayas. The problem is the desire to repeat the experience has some similarities to the craving of PMO. Fortunately after the experience I was energized and not craving. This may ultimately be a nice option after the reboot for some spontaneous pleasure when my wife isn't in the mood.
     
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  10. interpaul

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    It really happened but I would caution you to not intentionally seek this experience as it will likely not help in your reboot. It happened spontaneously due to a lot of pent up energy. Since I've been meditating a lot I think I somehow channeled the energy in a way that I've experienced in a much milder form before the reboot. For full transparency I did subsequently MO a day later as I had a hard time rationalizing the experience. In my mind I thought, well you just had an ejaculation without touching yourself and not thinking of porn so what's the difference if you touch yourself thinking about your wife.
     
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  11. interpaul

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    Thanks. I am finding this reboot a great time to be truly honest with myself and feel all of my feelings. Funny this happened for you on almost the exact same day it happened for me. I suspect 3 weeks is close to the bodies physical need to release via wet dreams or spontaneous emissions as I did start experience a little spontaneous emission after urinating a l little before that time. It makes you realize our true animal nature. As to the "working on your habits or an orgasm free life" I guess that's where I depart from some in this group. I don't desire an orgasm free life. I don't know if it is physically possible, as the first of these two experiences literally happened to me just meditating calmly in bed without any intention of anything. Somehow denying one of life's most powerful natural pleasures doesn't make sense to me at this time. My reason for this path came from understanding the unhealthy dopamine edging behaviors that exhausted me physically and emotionally and ultimately did not lead to lasting satisfaction. I have read posts about "super powers". When I had this experience I thought that was what they were referring to. After rereading these posts it sounds more like people just learning to be "normal again", i.e. being able to experience pleasure in a more balanced and natural way. This intense non masturbatory orgasm stuff is definitely not "normal".
     
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    Wish that would happen to me lol!
     
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