P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

I want to ask the people here
The symptoms for paws started for you before nofap or after and if it's coming after
Why if we came back to PMO we didn't feel better or same as our normal life before​

Ok, here's my interpretation (I'm guessing @Mzmz2627 isn't an english speaker):

1) Did the symptoms of paws start for you before doing nofap or after?

2) If we went back to PMOing after Nofap, how did we feel - better, the same, or worse?​

Dunno.

Assuming I got that right, here's my answer:

1) My symptoms started before doing Nofap - so that does raise an important point - I suspect that the symptoms I refer to as PAWS may actually be something like "post orgasmic illness" or something like that, as referred to in other threads. However, in my case I have also had definate worsening of symptoms many months after going hardmode, which I would class as PAWS.

2) Whenever I have abstained for long enough to feel well in the past, PMOing again has quickly led to me feeling bad again.

 

Oh, heaps of research, I guess. Yet, by far not enough to explain the shit we are facing. Just a few examples:



https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11572966/

https://neurosciencenews.com/cravings-detectable-death-5791/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ce_of_Dependence-Memory_and_High_Relapse_Rate

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6961682/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28319850/

 

Sikreodds97 in this thread is not the same guy (he said so himself). The collected writings of sikreodds (a guy who recovered after a 2 year flatline hardmode) are many of his posts put together. He believed in semen retention, not only abstinence from P and M.

Here is the link:
https://www.google.no/amp/s/amp.red...cted_writings_of_sikreodds97_transcript_of_2/

Also another 826 day flatline story:
https://www.google.no/amp/s/amp.red...nts/csqkbw/yes_end_of_27mo_flatline_826_days/

One more 2 year flatline, this guys could go back to a normal sex life with orgasms after:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/2cg8in/27_year_cured_after_two_year_flatline_severe_ed/

20 month flatline:
https://www.google.no/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/agztv8/wow_end_of_20_months_flatline/

Im in the same boat as you mate. It feels like living in hell, without a soul. Ive passed 840 days. I hope I can return soon with my own success story.

 

Thanks a lot for this. I'll try hardmode and will do my very best! I have a partner so I hope she accepts my abstinence from sex.

 

Thanks for sharing these. I feel for you man, I can't imagine how much that must suck.

I hope you come out of it soon. Your story will inspire a lot of people.

 

I feel this website needs to upgrade the day counter upper limit from 500 to 1000. I am around day 750 and it is quite evident that the upcoming cases are going to take more days to recover since they injected this poison in their minds at a very young age. Also, what I have learned is that semen retention is absolute necessary especially for us guys going through PAWS. Abstaining from P only is nowhere near sufficient and its high time that everyone here ditch off masturbation & sex until and unless you are completely recovered and stable. Even after that, masturbation should have no place in your life. You are not going to waste your precious energy in the bin unless its a real flesh girl wanting it/going crazy for it.

A crazy thing happened to me. I read a book in the library written in the 90s on sex & physiology. Its not in English thus not giving the reference here. Anyways, the writer explained how medical science is being devious, immoral and unethical to say without any hesitance that masturbation is healthy, there is no harm in losing our sperms continuously and body will replace it easily in some hours etc etc. He also referred to many cases in his clinic whereby he cured mental patients sufferings from schizophrenia and other mental disorders through semen retention. The reason for their disorder was masturbation/sex addiction and no doctor ever thought that it could be a reason for any mental disorder. He used many jargons which I don't remember but to sum it up, the semen has direct connection with your brain and maintaining it inside has numerous benefits to your brain, first and foremost.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories but I have definitely developed a huge mistrust in 21st century medical science. Even right now if you google, you will find authentic, big pharma, and main websites totally promoting masturbation as healthy and almost everyone writes "Masturbation may reduce the chances of prostrate cancer". Just look at this fucking sentence. To begin with, its a fucking chance. And then it "may" reduce it. And its a research carried out God knows where under which standards. I mean, they are not even neutral about it. They are hellbent on promoting it and labelling it as healthy and necessary. And we all know who the fuck would masturbate to imagination or paintings on the wall in 21st century. Masturbation and porn goes hand in hand now.

So, to sum it up, you all, please listen to someone who is still suffering after 750 days, suck up your semen inside for as long as necessary if you ever want to get to the end of the tunnel.

 

What about wet dreams or nocturnal emissions do you think they can slow down recovery?

 

Absolutely agree every word of this. Even I completely believe in monk mode and only lose your semen with a girl who wants or craves it. Right or left hand are not worth it. Even after recovery. Jus no point in arguing that masturbation is for releasing sexual pressure bi monthly as a valid argument. Or the prostate cancer. Those were the things we used for justifying this addicition. Either get on with a girl or harness the energy at any cost. Those two should be the only two options after recovery. It might sound anti porn and anti masturbation. But the more I read about neuronal wirings and neurotransmitters and the amount of damage done through this behaviour. I believe I am not wrong.

 

This is controversial. And I am jus a skeptic. Most believe it is a good sign. I believe it hinders the recovery. I could be totally wrong. Though it's not in our hands to control it. Anecdotal observation, first two months it made me feel like shit with low energy, frequency was more. But it subsided with monthly or bi monthly effusion and doesn't make me feel like shit but disappointed. Though I would still want to avoid that as well at least for 3-6 months.
So that my brain is like " why you do this to me, I need the easy orgasms, you stopped with porn and now even wet dreams"
And then I start to chase and rewire with a girl and tell the brain " hombre you get to have orgasms only if you put in the effort by chasing girls, courting them and get the punani, no manual transmission or autopilot unless it's an automatic".
Monk mode would enable us to control this.
I could be totally wrong. Jus my theory. At least for the most severe cases like me, I believe it's necessary to avoid any type of release. For many months during abstinence.

 

For me, I've recently had 2 cases of nocturnal emissions, and they don't seem to have caused any problems. Hard to say overall if it would be a problem for others or not, but at the end of the day it is pretty much involuntary anyway. Obviously it is disappointing when it happens, but I wouldn't worry about it.

 

There is nothing you can do about wet dreams, they just happen and I tried everything. After nearly 20 months of recovery they stopped affecting me and my guess is that they will stop or be controllable at some point once my brain found back to homeostasis. Serotonin is highly disregulated while going through PAWS and serotonin is responsible for dampening the exciting effects of dopamine. While we dream this excitements acts out and there is very little dampening on that excitement and thus very little control over orgasms.

Here is a very informative and detailed video to what is happening to our brain and body while going through PAWS:


Don’t bother yourself that she mostly talks about drug addiction, she mentions at some point that PAWS is relevant for any kind of addictive behaviour. This video caused me to cry several times, I don’t know why exactly but I guess because all those problems and symptoms hit home and I just felt relieved again to know that I’m not experiencing something completely abnormal.

 

56:48 Minute is the information on porn and sex. Thx again for that video. Exactly when I needed it today. I feel like a rotten pile of mule dung, even bedridden today.

 

I find very difficult to wake up in morning.I feel unrested and unrelaxed even if I sleep for 7-8 hours.See today's pattern below:-

I went to bed at 11:30.Slept around 12:00 am.My sleep interrupted at 5:30 am that time I realised that I was in morning wood.Not fully hard but say 60-70%. My alarm rang at 7:00 am,that time also I was in morning wood.But found hard to leave bed.And when I left bed at 9:30 that time also it was so.Not even 60% that time but morning wood was there.is it okay to go through this long morning wood?

May be this is what which is causing me weakness and fatigued?? Daily morning I realise that I remain in semi sleep state when I leave bed and that I don't like.but it's very hard for me to leave bed.i want to leave bed straight after 8 hours and don't keep lying on half asleep state.but it's not working here anymore.i'm trying though.

I have mild pain below knee joint,feets and back.At start my body had huge stiffness but as day passes it gets a bit okay.After sleep I feel irritated coz of all this.And it's happening daily.its quite tough.

Is anyone has similar sleep pattern ? And does it gets better day by day?

 

I'm no longer expecting a slow process of my symptoms getting easier and easier. I think it's going to be a light switch kind of moment somewhere at month 24 or beyond, at least that's what I'm hoping. Seems like that's how it went for all of those guys in that document, and if I'm truly being honest with myself, I haven't really witnessed that much improvement within myself from month to month.

 

I know there’s a general consensus on this thread that supplements/medication during PAWS usually don’t help and might even hurt, but does anyone here have experience with CBD in withdrawal? Been reading good things about its effects on sleep, anxiety/depression, chronic pain, PTSD, sensory disturbances, etc. and am thinking about giving it a go. Just curious whether anyone found that it helped or if it revved up symptoms.

 

Not tried CBD, but recently started taking 5-HTP, and noticed a real calming effect, and better sleep. This could be co-incidence, but I'm going to try and vary the dose to see if there is a consistent cause and effect over time. Will let you know if anything good happens.

 

I was lucky enough to have the worst of my PAWS symptoms happen while covid restrictions were in full force. There were many days where I was pretty much bedridden due to fatigue and had the cover of "working from home".

Yesterday afternoon I was getting drowsy at my new job which I started about a month ago. As soon as I got home I hit the bed and woke up 12 hours later. This morning I am brimming with energy and my back has zero acne.

Thankfully the fatigue is nowhere near as bad or prevalent as it was in the beginning but I do worry that it could interfere with my new job. Oh well, nothing I can do except continue to push forward.

 

I agree, figuring this out during Covid was a blessing of sorts. Don’t know how I could have managed otherwise. I still feel like I wouldn’t be able to work a normal office job because the anxiety, visual disturbances, etc. are still pretty bad, but I’m quite a bit more functional than I was six or nine months ago.

 

Thats quite true with me as well.Even if it's 7-8 hours uninterrupted sleep then also it's difficult to get up.And after all ,if one feels unrested then it sucks!

Really.it is.I am working on this since a while and no significant improvements.Its quite tough.

PMO effects are deeper than one can think of.it completely messes a lot of areas of mind and body.And makes it tough and challenging.There is no other way but to pass this phase and things gonna be fine again.Eagerly trying and waiting man.

 

In the FLATLINE for 21 months, now. Timeline for PAWS is 6 to 24 months. Anyone still with paws after 24 months ?