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P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Congrats on your progress, and thanks for sharing - it is inspirational and motivational to those of us still struggling onwards. Do you mind me asking how old you are? I ask because I'm 49, and seem to have less resilience with age.
     
  2. Redemptionisrequired

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    I think you're confused friend, you say you're in a flatline for 6 years and yet you also said you've continued to masturbate everyday. Unless its the language barrier and you were not masturbating either during those 6 years, but if you were then there is your problem, you were not in a flatline for 6 years, you were compulsively masturbating for 6 years. You need to refrain from PMO entirely, meaning stop masturbating and watching porn, refrain from having an orgasm, allow your body to recover from the damage you've caused it. As others have mentioned it will take time, it may feel worse at first, but incrementally you will get better.
     
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  3. Redemptionisrequired

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    I wish you a speedy recovery man, hope things get better quick for you.
     
  4. Diegomaradona10

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    No friend, I'm not confused. I started masturbating in 2008-2009 and until 2015 I had pied but still managed to achieve an erection with the most extreme porn. I masturbated several times a day, never skipping a day. Then in 2015 I had circumcision surgery and couldn't masturbate for the surgery for 2 weeks and I hit them flat line: I had no more libido, no morning wood and the penis shrunk to a flaccid state (the so called hard syndrome). flaccid). However I blamed the circumcision because I had lost a bit of sensitivity and from there I didn't notice it anymore and from 2015 to now I have continued compulsive masturbation with a floppy penis also porn, I was used to ejaculating without an erection. So I have been flatline for 6 years without knowing it without taking even a day breaks. Do You understand now?
     
  5. Redemptionisrequired

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    I understand what you are saying, but you are still incorrect friend. I agree with you as for your lack of sensitivity is in relation to your surgery but if you were still fapping daily and watching porn compulsively as you mentioned, then you have not entered a flatline. You are just suffering at the hands of your compulsive addiction. Entering a flatline occurs when you actually quit PMO. Also, if you PMO compulsively, you will lose sensitivity. I highly suggest you quit ASAP.
     
  6. Diegomaradona10

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    No man. Until 2015 when I have pied, I could have erection to porn even if was extreme porn, but have low libido and still morning wood and no complete erection, but still can get hard if a see a beautiful girl. After that 2 weeks no PMO due to circumcision i lost all my sex drive even to porn, my penis shriveled in flaccid state and no morning wood.. All sintoms off flatline..you can have flatline even before stopping pmo in same case man. Shriveled penis, no morning wood, rare erection to porn are all sintom of flatline.
     
  7. All I fuckin' want out of life is to be able to once again read books. At the moment, I can't do it. Maybe once in a blue moon I can pick one up for an hour or so, but yeah, still can't do it. Thanks for the input.
     
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  8. I will be 43 years old in a few months
     
  9. @Don Quixote Thanks for the reply. Hope all goes well with the COVID.
     
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  10. mentorr

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    @Diegomaradona10 the answer remains the same, you need to quit PMO. Regardless of whether you have libido or not, regardless of whether your penis is currently in a flaccid or shrivelled state, regardless of whether you get morning wood or not. You still need to quit PMO. Follow your own advice:

     
  11. mentorr

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    This is poetry, thanks @Don Quixote, hope you recover soon.
     
  12. Diegomaradona10

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    Thank you guys, now after having ignored my 6 years flatline I'll try 3 years hardmode and then karezza with rebooting. Even if I'm one of the worst case here, I'm still young (25years old), so some years hardmode serius(0 eiaculation and edging. I believe in my case 2 years hardmode are not sufficient, probably 3 - 4 years and then karezza. I'm new utent now here.
     
  13. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Cool - not too old. I've noticed a real drop-off in my ability to recover over the last few years. Not sure if this is age related as such, or just the result of ongoing failure to completely stop; probably the latter. Either way, the sooner / younger anyone stops, the better!
     
  14. UWSDave

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    I feel you here. I can’t read books anymore because of all my visual issues, though I’m sure the concentration problems don’t help.
     
  15. Glad to hear it.

    Yeah, when I was a kid books were my life. Part of recovering, for me, was learning how to return to the things that make me happy. Books are very, very high up on that list. Excited to get to the point you're at.


    Update on me: 21 month mark came and went. Digestion is finally starting to normalize. Been having wet dreams about once a week, which is quite a new phenomenon. I went from having 1 every 3-4 months to having them ~once a week.

    Still can't read, still have darker periods, still feel foggy, still have a limited amount of energy to spend. But yeah, I can definitely see changes. As Don has said, your perceptions begin to sharpen. Some days I'm still cloudy as ever, but others, I can see the outlines of leaves a little clearer, if that makes any sense. The world becomes more and more defined as time rolls on, though I still have those moments where I feel as if nothing has changed, and that it's going to take me another 6+ months to get back to normal.

    Been able to dip my toes back into meditation. I know this is controversial, but for me, it helps keep things somewhat even keeled, and I use it as a buffer to help me create space between urges and my reactions to them.

    Also been able to begin working out and eating healthier. This has been a very nice addition, because it allows me to focus on something other than rebooting. My plan is to begin working within the next 6 months, followed by a move somewhere across the country. I want to live in a big city, at least for now, so that I can make up on lost time. I want to experience as much as I can before my time is up. Still plan on doing mushrooms once I feel able and ready. Very excited about that. Feel like it'll be a nice bookend to all of this nonsense.

    Socializing has been easier, but I still don't feel "happy" most of the time, so I don't get the desired response from it. It's still more of a hassle than a pleasure, though sometimes I do like how it makes time go by faster.

    Rewards from activities are still few and far between. I mostly do things because they either make time go by faster or because I know the act will benefit my future self. I guess you could say I'm gaining in motivation levels, though I have to force the majority of the shit that I accomplish. I really can't wait until I feel the natural rewards to socializing, working out, or any other productive activity.

    Tryin' to think about what else has changed. The lows are still pretty fuckin' low, and now I don't have as much patience for them. Since I'm sharper, I'm fully aware of how unfair they seem, and how much they affect my ability to live normally. Hoping for the severity to start declining, though I'm psychologically prepared for more darkness. I'm still quite pessimistic on a day to day basis, expecting the worst but silently hoping for the best. Whenever I have decent days I don't trust them, and I expect a turn towards the red at any moment.

    I'm still praying, every day, that month 24 will be the magic number, but I think I'm just as pessimistic about it as anything else. I want 24 months to be the date, but I think, deep down, I expect it to be longer. I don't know. I guess I still don't even trust the idea that I am going to get better. I think a large part of me thinks that this shit will last forever. Like, I'm not even fucking prepared to wake up, each day, feeling like a normal person. Fuck, my expectations have been lowered so deeply that being able to go to bed before 3 a.m. feels like a "good" day.

    We'll see how things go. Even if 24 months does happen to be the magic number, I'm still ~90 days away. That's fuckin' funny, wathcing me write that number down. Now I feel like a true member of the Nofap community. 90 days.
     
  16. TBOTE

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    For the cloudy/foggy feeling, I suggest drinking lots of water. Like a gallon, throughout the day. I bought myself a gallon and take it with me wherever I go, I don’t know if this makes much a difference or not but the water is purified. Definitely has a positive effect on the foggy feeling.
     
  17. jayyad

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    I went 6 months with no ejaculation, mainly cause my dick couldn’t get hard, now it’s 9 months I have been evaluating with my girlfriend these past 3 months. I don’t think I noticed any significant changes other then my libido is a lot stronger then before and my dick works for oral but when I get in missionary position I get soft real quick, interesting phenomenon lol.

    you guys think ejaculating is slowing down my progress? I feel like normal balanced ejaculations a couple times a week can be somewhat healthy as long as no masturbation or porn are involved. Let me know your thoughts, still really fatigued from PAWS. Sleeping a lot and no motivation to really do anything.
     
  18. mentorr

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    Tuesday of this week marked 24 months recovery for me, (with a handful of orgasms through sex attempts). While I believe I am gradually heading towards the finishing line, there is no doubt in my mind that the few orgasms that I have had have slowed down my progress. I definitely think there is an advantage to rewiring your brain to a real partner, but from my experience, each and every time I have attempted to have sex/intimacy the orgasm has pushed me (head first) into a flatline. I would say if you can avoid orgasms for the time being, then do so. It will allow your brain to heal without the dopamine uptake from orgasm.
     
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  19. Diegomaradona10

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    So before that orgasm you could be hard? After orgasm your penis has shrinkage in flaccid state?
     
  20. mentorr

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    Hard for me was (and still is) 40% at best. Yes shrinkage occurred after orgasm.
     

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