P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. Dave G 123

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    Cool - not too old. I've noticed a real drop-off in my ability to recover over the last few years. Not sure if this is age related as such, or just the result of ongoing failure to completely stop; probably the latter. Either way, the sooner / younger anyone stops, the better!
     
  2. UWSDave

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    I feel you here. I can’t read books anymore because of all my visual issues, though I’m sure the concentration problems don’t help.
     
  3. zander13

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    Glad to hear it.

    Yeah, when I was a kid books were my life. Part of recovering, for me, was learning how to return to the things that make me happy. Books are very, very high up on that list. Excited to get to the point you're at.


    Update on me: 21 month mark came and went. Digestion is finally starting to normalize. Been having wet dreams about once a week, which is quite a new phenomenon. I went from having 1 every 3-4 months to having them ~once a week.

    Still can't read, still have darker periods, still feel foggy, still have a limited amount of energy to spend. But yeah, I can definitely see changes. As Don has said, your perceptions begin to sharpen. Some days I'm still cloudy as ever, but others, I can see the outlines of leaves a little clearer, if that makes any sense. The world becomes more and more defined as time rolls on, though I still have those moments where I feel as if nothing has changed, and that it's going to take me another 6+ months to get back to normal.

    Been able to dip my toes back into meditation. I know this is controversial, but for me, it helps keep things somewhat even keeled, and I use it as a buffer to help me create space between urges and my reactions to them.

    Also been able to begin working out and eating healthier. This has been a very nice addition, because it allows me to focus on something other than rebooting. My plan is to begin working within the next 6 months, followed by a move somewhere across the country. I want to live in a big city, at least for now, so that I can make up on lost time. I want to experience as much as I can before my time is up. Still plan on doing mushrooms once I feel able and ready. Very excited about that. Feel like it'll be a nice bookend to all of this nonsense.

    Socializing has been easier, but I still don't feel "happy" most of the time, so I don't get the desired response from it. It's still more of a hassle than a pleasure, though sometimes I do like how it makes time go by faster.

    Rewards from activities are still few and far between. I mostly do things because they either make time go by faster or because I know the act will benefit my future self. I guess you could say I'm gaining in motivation levels, though I have to force the majority of the shit that I accomplish. I really can't wait until I feel the natural rewards to socializing, working out, or any other productive activity.

    Tryin' to think about what else has changed. The lows are still pretty fuckin' low, and now I don't have as much patience for them. Since I'm sharper, I'm fully aware of how unfair they seem, and how much they affect my ability to live normally. Hoping for the severity to start declining, though I'm psychologically prepared for more darkness. I'm still quite pessimistic on a day to day basis, expecting the worst but silently hoping for the best. Whenever I have decent days I don't trust them, and I expect a turn towards the red at any moment.

    I'm still praying, every day, that month 24 will be the magic number, but I think I'm just as pessimistic about it as anything else. I want 24 months to be the date, but I think, deep down, I expect it to be longer. I don't know. I guess I still don't even trust the idea that I am going to get better. I think a large part of me thinks that this shit will last forever. Like, I'm not even fucking prepared to wake up, each day, feeling like a normal person. Fuck, my expectations have been lowered so deeply that being able to go to bed before 3 a.m. feels like a "good" day.

    We'll see how things go. Even if 24 months does happen to be the magic number, I'm still ~90 days away. That's fuckin' funny, wathcing me write that number down. Now I feel like a true member of the Nofap community. 90 days.
     
  4. TBOTE

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    For the cloudy/foggy feeling, I suggest drinking lots of water. Like a gallon, throughout the day. I bought myself a gallon and take it with me wherever I go, I don’t know if this makes much a difference or not but the water is purified. Definitely has a positive effect on the foggy feeling.
     
  5. jayyad

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    I went 6 months with no ejaculation, mainly cause my dick couldn’t get hard, now it’s 9 months I have been evaluating with my girlfriend these past 3 months. I don’t think I noticed any significant changes other then my libido is a lot stronger then before and my dick works for oral but when I get in missionary position I get soft real quick, interesting phenomenon lol.

    you guys think ejaculating is slowing down my progress? I feel like normal balanced ejaculations a couple times a week can be somewhat healthy as long as no masturbation or porn are involved. Let me know your thoughts, still really fatigued from PAWS. Sleeping a lot and no motivation to really do anything.
     
  6. mentorr

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    Tuesday of this week marked 24 months recovery for me, (with a handful of orgasms through sex attempts). While I believe I am gradually heading towards the finishing line, there is no doubt in my mind that the few orgasms that I have had have slowed down my progress. I definitely think there is an advantage to rewiring your brain to a real partner, but from my experience, each and every time I have attempted to have sex/intimacy the orgasm has pushed me (head first) into a flatline. I would say if you can avoid orgasms for the time being, then do so. It will allow your brain to heal without the dopamine uptake from orgasm.
     
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  7. Diegomaradona10

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    So before that orgasm you could be hard? After orgasm your penis has shrinkage in flaccid state?
     
  8. mentorr

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    Hard for me was (and still is) 40% at best. Yes shrinkage occurred after orgasm.
     
  9. Diegomaradona10

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    As I just posted I have had orgasm every day in flatline for 6 years.. It's so depressing... We have to do completely semen retention
     
  10. KaliYugaWarrior

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    Hey man, can you describe your visual issues? I have eye floaters and recently also started having blurriness. Doctor says the blurring is because of dry eyes.
     
  11. Orgasms and losing fluids are no good when you're in flatline. That could put you back for weeks or months when done repeatedly in your recovery.
     
  12. Spartan1998

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    I think we all just have to do no PMO no Sex no Trigger until we are completeley recovered.
    When we are recovered than we can think about if we need daily sex or masturbation but I think then noone of us would do it ever in a daily base.
     
  13. Diegomaradona10

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    I have hade orgasm every day for 6 years in flatline
     
  14. mentorr

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    This statement triggered a question that I realised I haven't actually heard the answer to.

    There are many posts on this forum and others of the negative effects of using not just social media apps but dating apps during recovery. While I don't think these apps are on the same unholy level as PORN, I think it is safe to say that using these apps during a reboot can have a negative effect on your progress. What I am curious to understand is whether these apps should be avoided even after a full recovery. What are the chances of these social apps reactivating the old pathways and pulling you back towards PIED, even with moderate and responsible use? Say 'NoFap Jack', (after 18 months of recovery) regains his mental and sexual capacity and decides to go back out into the digital dating world, to look for a serious long-term partner), is Jack in danger of; a) reactivating the remaining neural pathways in his brain b) succumbing to PIED and c) inviting a brand new reboot into his life?

    Simply thinking out loud here.
     
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  15. Speak of the devil, I actually created a profile for myself on AM this past weekend. So far I have several dates lined up.

    It's possible that I am moving too fast after finishing the reboot but I've weighed the options and decided this is how I wish to proceed.

    Time will tell if this is a smart move or not.
     
  16. mentorr

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    Speak of the devil and he shall appear lol

    Good or bad decision, it will be an opportunity of discovery and learning I'm sure.

    Hoping things are positive, maybe let us know how you get on.
     
  17. Monkeyboyab2c

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    No Covid was really weird for me. It didn’t attack my lungs or senses at all. It attacked my kidneys. At first they thought I had prostatitis, a kidney infection, or a UTI because I felt like a truck hit me and like I was pissing hot magma. That stayed for about a week then I got dizzy for a while and started pissing blood. I went to the ER and passed a giant blood clot while I was peeing there. They found It gave me sepsis. It was terrifying. They tested me for everything from infection to bladder cancer. On part of the blood panel they tested me for covid anti bodies which I was positive for a very recent case. It kinda had a lot of doctors scratching their heads but that’s what they said caused everything. My doctor said it effects different people in different ways. I had a lot of cognitive issues later like constant virtigo but I never lost my senses or coughed more than a small handful of times. My cousin had it bad and lost his senses. He had a lot of long haul symptoms but his taste and smell came back pretty quickly.
     
  18. UWSDave

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    Hey, I posted about this recently - this is the gist of it:
    Things are very slowly improving in some respects but possibly worsening in others. Been having this weird sensation recently of my eyes having sunk back in their sockets, with the consequence that I now see more of my nose in my vision. But other things have gotten better, and in fact recently I’ve been perceiving that my eyesight is a bit sharper in some hard-to-describe way.
     
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  19. UWSDave

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    @Don Quixote I’m really sorry to hear about your Covid experience and I hope you get better soon. I constantly wonder whether I might have actually had Covid too, since my crash happened early last year not long into the pandemic. But I’m reasonably confident it really is all PAWS, because in retrospect my symptoms started building in late 2019, which was presumably before Covid hit NYC. Who knows though, man.
     
  20. Dave G 123

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    I seem to be getting blurriness from dry eyes. Not sure if I should be worried about it or not.
     
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