P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Can we have a telegram group or something where people going through paws can connect?

 

@Freeddom_Taker , I may have missed your story. What has your overall recovery been like? Many relapses?

 

Well I tested positive for Covid again. 2nd go around for me. Last time afterwards I wasn’t sure which neurological symptoms were from Covid aftermath and which were from PAWS. It’s going to be interesting to find out.

 

Yikes man, I’m really sorry to hear that. I constantly wonder whether my crash last year was actually caused by Covid and not PMO, but I never had a positive test so I guess I’ll never know. Hope you’re able to pull through without any lingering issues.

 

Thanks Dave I appreciate it. Thankfully this time is not as severe as last time or at least so far. I don’t know if that’s from already having it or from the vaccine. I’ve always wondered the same thing because the effects of long Covid seem to match up so much with PAWS. It’s really quite frustrating. But hey if it’s one thing I have a lot of experience in the last 19 months it’s being frustrated.

 

Me too 3years but 4months is there ahope

 

Yep, I couldn't do anything due to lack of mental and physical energy. I'm bed ridden 3/4 of the 3 years.

 

3 years of ACUTE WITHDRAWALS with countless of relapses after of nofap discovery in 2014. Plus 3 years of deep PAWS and s3xual exhaustion of hormones with dozens of relapses.

 

wow crazy man. I hope fast recovery for you!!!!

 

Thanks bro I appreciate it.

 

[QUOTE = "Freeddom_Taker ، post: 3102138 ، عضو: 263918"] 3 سنوات من الانسحاب i إلى 3 سنوات من PAWS العميقة والإرهاق الثلاثي للهرم

What about hormones especially estrogen

 

I started having panic attacks 5 years ago, also in the middle in the night when it's the most scary. After my 24th month of no-PMO I had some of the worst panic attacks, and lasted for 6 weeks, I am apparently out of the wave for two weeks now, in the middle of month 26.

I think every ailment is worse when you are going through PAWS. I have palpipations for 5 years, and they get worse at the slightest cold, bad digestion, etc.

 

26 months without eiaculation?

 

Hey Guys, this is just an update post from my side. in continuation of my last post:

My libido is definitely back with full force and I am trying to find ways to manage it, control it. I am still battling PAWS though the intensity of different symptoms keeps varying from day to day. I am really looking forward to the day where I am well and truly out of all withdrawals now that I am going to complete month#27 soon.

My 14 month hardmode streak is well and truly over. I went out for two more dinner date with that girl. We did make out and I had orgasms both times (Not through intercourse) I didn't feel any of my withdrawal symptoms getting worse after that thankfully. My wife is not willing to come back for now and it is indeed turning out to be a tricky situation for me. I really wish she was here because it would have definitely helped me a lot in managing my urges and raging libido. Getting your libido back is indeed very very tricky thing after such a long time. After such a long streak, you feel that there is 0 chance of any relapse now but that is very far from the truth. Things take a very different turn when you zip out of flatline like a bang and your PAWS are giving you a break momentarily. Add to that loneliness and boredom, and you my friend are fighting a perfect recipe of ready-made relapse.

I am saying this because I have been fighting this for 03 consecutive nights now. If somebody told me 2 months ago that I would be so close to relapse again and again, night after night, I would not have believed a single ounce of it. But your mind and body has always a new trick up their sleeve after a while. I have also felt insomnia in recent nights which strangely, I haven't felt during the entire reboot period. Although insomnia is sth which many ppl have reported here which truly makes sense as many have been using PMO to go to sleep. Anyways insomnia is dangerous for me at this particular point because it increases the chances of night time relapse significantly. I really do wonder why am I having insomnia after 27 months and why my mind is tricking me into believing that PMO will heal this and give me a good sound sleep. It does make me believe that your withdrawals may vary from time to time on a long streak where some may go and others pop up. I am really wishing that I am now at the last lapse and these are final challenges being thrown at me before I evict this cunning vile addiction. I somehow really doubt that for now.

I am also focused on some lifestyle changes now after battling this for over 02 years. I have found that loneliness is one of the core reason for me seeking porn. I am away from my parents and rest of the family in another city for last 13 years. I really do feel that it has contributed a lot in worsening my addiction and is playing a key role again in wanting me to relapse. I found this after 02 years of leaving porn! GOD! It looks so simple when it's on the page but so complex to uncover under all those viles of addiction. I say this with conviction, because I found out about my addiction after I got married. Another issue that I need to resolve is of my wife. I hope she listens to me and come back. I am now trying my best to leave the job here and go back to the city where my family resides.

Moreover, I really need to find out ways to channel my energy on semen retention since I do want to practice it in longer run and not just to cure PAWS. Because that knowledge is indeed very critical and crucial to survive post PAWS and flatline.

 

Please hold the line brother,

I understand the fatigue, I experienced it as well. Amongst many other symptoms. My doctor also said I was healthy at the beginning of my journey. I tested my b12, my vitamin d, my T levels etc. This is a brain chemistry battle. Much like those going through recovery in benzo withdrawal/weed/alcohol withdrawal. Only now, 284 days free of Porn, 1 MO relapse(no porn) on day 72 and now 212 days free of MO do I feel that I'm finally recovering at a much more rapid rate. I suspect the next 3 months will garner a lot of positive changes, as these were the months I was most addicted last year.

Don't give up, returning to PMO is never the option. Red bull and energy drinks will destroy you. Time and abstinence is your greatest ally. I also would suggest you get your b12/b6/T levels/ Vitamin D levels tested. Ask for a copy of the results, preferably go to a clinic that will provide you the results. Aim to get all of those in an optimal range, no the bare minimum for "okay". Don't rely on your doctor for that, at the beginning due to all the stress and anxiety my T was terribly low for a man my age. My doctor said it was "healthy". Absolute idiot, I had the T of a 80 year old man. I will be checking my T levels again at the 1 year marker, free from porn.

Finally, everyones journey is unique. The time of abstinence required is long for some, shorter for others. It all depends on how often you used PMO, what you were using it to hide from, what your other habits are in your life (exercise diet , do you spend a lot of time on TV/video games/internet etc) and also the type of porn you watched. For a "quicker" recovery, you must have a 0 tolerance approach to edging, peeking and engaging in sexual fantasy in the mind.

Please don't give up!

 

What was your B12 when you got it tested? Did you use any supplements?

 

375 pmol/l about 500 pg/ml, now this was back in nov 2020. The optimal level is between 400-700 pg/ml. I also read somewhere, that in Japan the baseline and range for b12 is 500-1300 pg/ml. I'll also be getting that tested again in nov 2021, along with a few other things.

I started off by including fish in my diet once a week(wild salmon), now I have fish twice a week.
In terms of supplements, I only started a week ago, 1 tablet 100mcg of methylcobalamin b12 daily. To be honest, I do believe it's making a difference.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32283824/ for optimal levels
https://advances.augusta.edu/1014 for Japan

 

Thanks for the positive vibe Man, I really appreciate it, and yes no way going back, also congrats for the legendary streak.

 

Pleasure man, we're all here to support each other through this difficult period. Thank you, congrats to you as well and keep going!

 

I’ve heard the same thing about other countries defining low B12 differently, and not surprisingly there’s also a lot of unevenness with how attentive doctors are to the problem. I had mine tested last year and it came in around 200, so my doctor put me on shots for a while (which I think probably did help a bit). Even when I retested at 400 they said it was still sort of low, which is actually pretty good coming from a doctor since the lab report said anything above ~200 is normal.

I’m getting back on the oral supplements now and might try a full B-complex soon because I’ve been having a recurrence of some of the weird neurological symptoms from right after my crash. But I never know if I’m doing the right thing because getting the shots seemed like it revved up a lot of my vision issues. Such is PAWS!