P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. Monkeyboyab2c

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    I had something very similar. For me it would happen right when I was on the verge of falling asleep. I would get to the point where I was just about to cross over into sleep and get hit with a sudden jolt of adrenaline and anxiety. My heart would race and I would be up for another few hours and then the process would repeat through the night. I would also get hit with panic attacks during the day as well but not nearly as many as in the night. It was awful. They did go away however. I still get anxiety and I’m 19 months into this thing but it’s way less than it was during that period. One thing that helped was after that jolt of adrenaline I would listen to ocean wave sounds on YouTube and time my breathing to the sound of the waves. I know it sounds kinda stupid but it would help me calm down way faster. Not sure If this is exactly what you are experiencing but I hope it helps.
     
  2. Himar89

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    19 months hard mode? No relapses?
     
  3. Seeking_the_answers

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    Well in my case I get randomly startled during the day and night, it's like a fight or flight response of continuous stress that keeps your body alert at all times
     
  4. Monkeyboyab2c

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    No normal mode. I’ve done several four and six week streaks of hard mode. I’m not very interested in the benefits of retention. I know that my PAWS will last longer this way but I was not willing to do that to my wife. My goal was to rewire my brain to her and only her, and for the most part I have. I have also had a massive amount of improvement over the course of 19 months. One thing I will say is that I’m not 100% sure what caused my PAWS. I quit weed and PMO at the same time.
     
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  5. Monkeyboyab2c

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    Ugh that sounds pretty miserable? Definitely sounds like the kind of thing PAWS would do though. I hope you recover from it soon.
     
  6. Seeking_the_answers

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    Thanks I appreciate it, I guess it's just one of the many withdrawal symptoms of the healing process so at least we know it will go away with time
     
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  8. Mr. Kruger

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    They won't completely destroy your progress, but I have noticed that they do set me back a little bit.
     
  9. wfcasdvwervdsv

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    My b12 is low. I remember some people talking about it on here. What’s the best way to raise my levels? 1000mcg oral tablet daily?
     
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  10. wfcasdvwervdsv

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    Dreams of sex used to put me into a wave but now I see no correlation with the intensity of my PAWS symptoms and sexual dreams
     
  11. UWSDave

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    Yeah, I was one of the ones posting about it because I found out I was low last year and my doctor put me on injections for a while. Just got retested recently and I'm low yet again, but I felt like the shots revved up some of my symptoms so I'm going back to the oral supplements for now. There's a lot of controversy about how well they're absorbed if you have a tendency to be deficient though, so you probably want to be retested after a bit to make sure they're working.

    Even though they say that the excess is excreted, I do feel like these dosages are fairly high and you probably want to be careful, especially given the fragile state of health most of us are in. I'd say maybe even cut up the supplements if you can and take a smaller dose to see if that works. You can always try upping it after a while if you still test low.
     
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  12. clapas

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    Yes, I do experience that. In the same way you explain in you question and @Monkeyboyab2c explains on his post.

    In particular, exactly like he explains:
    It has gotten a little better, but it still keeps happening to me on random days, sometimes in a row. It's horrible!
     
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  13. Thought you were cured and freed from symptoms.
     
  14. I tried updating the counter but I don't know if it's working properly. Anyways I am starting over.

    This past Labor Day weekend I spent five nights in Vegas. While I was out there I tried to get a hookup going on Ashley Madison (I don't know if it's against the rules to mention these sites). Without going into too many details I met a woman, starting sexting with her on Kik, and my spidey sense was telling me she was a little too eager. Sure enough she dropped a bombshell on me: she would come to see me on the condition that I wouldn't mind taking pics/videos for her husband. I was in Vegas, I had gotten out of flatline, I wanted to get laid so I said yes.

    Sex knocked me back into flatline big time, it feels like the early days of my reboot. This morning I was feeling some life down there so I rubbed one out in the shower. Prone masturbation was my problem so I figured why not try it while in the shower to see if it jumpstarts my libido again. Back in flatline again.

    At this point I don't know what to think or what to do. I had gone 21+ months of retention except for several emissions and sex knocked my ass back down to the gutter.

    Back to day one I guess. Fuck this whole journey.
     
  15. clapas

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    Not yet unfortunately. I still suffer occasional panick attacks, no matter day or night, wake up in the middle of the night feeling nausea, feeling very sick, sometimes vomiting, having palpitations, acidity, insomnia, and some other issues that I have already commented on previous posts.

    Still waiting...

    I'm definitely better than 2 years ago in general, but there is something broken inside me. Today I had an almost normal day tho.
     
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  16. Oh ok
     
  17. Dave G 123

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    Sorry to hear this. Relapses are a *****. But thanks for posting about it, because at least this is a useful warning to others, including myself, who might take similar risks in the future.

    Just get back in the saddle and keep on going - that's all any of us can do.
     
  18. wfcasdvwervdsv

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    Thank you for the reply. Are you inferring that excess b12 could be damaging to our PAWS recovery? I'm just starting on a high dose of sublingual b12 which is supposed to have a much higher bioavailability than the oral tablets so I'm going to take your advice and start with quarter doses before working my way up.
     
  19. DerJogge

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    I think you are dealing with a sex addiction like many of us in here. This involves the realization that random hook up sex is like a drug which it actually is. You hooking up with strangers to which you have no emotional connection to. It's basically real life porn where all the sensations are ego and pleasure related and its just to much for the brain. I recommend to everyone in here to plan for your time after PAWS otherwise you will go back to where you started from. Please don't get me wrong @Grateful Retainer, I don't mean this in a negative manner or to disrespect you but having random hookup sex in Vegas is something to avoid at any cost. From my perspective sex should be shared only out of intention of love and only then will it be able to be enjoyed without falling back into a flatline. When you love someone oxytocin is released ("love-hormone") which smoothens out the dopamine-highs and which causes a bonding feeling and feeling of being one. Random sex with a stranger is basically masturbating inside the body of another person. I also would recommend to everyone that you at least take 6-12 months after PAWS before you get involved into anything sexual. Just because you aren't feeling like shit anymore on a daily basis doesn't mean that your brain has fully recovered yet. As Don said he experienced even more improvements after the original PAWS recovery time. Let new habits and brainways build and don't fall prey to your newly available serotonine and dopamine feelings which suggest to get back into everything immediately. If I remember correctly, Don masturbated like 2 times after leaving PAWS. I also think that this might be one of the reasons he never recovered fully and regained his prior feeling of self. I think that everyone should follow a zero-tolerance-policy concerning PMO. Even if porn was your main problem, just don't think about ever masturbating again. I mean two years of a shitty process like this are enough for me to never ever wanting to masturbate again.

    So in summary, plan for your time after PAWS, go through different situations. I always imagine myself happy and in a good mood on a party attracting woman and my monkey brain instantly thinks of getting intimate with them and then I have to catch the monkey and realize that I actually don't want to do this. It's just my ego trying to spend its new available pleasure. This doesn't mean that you never will be able to have sex with a woman who isn't your wife and who you want kids with but it's more like the understanding that sex is something precious and its not just about your lower area feeling good but that it's more of intimate relationship where woman and man come together to become one.

    I hope I didn't sound like an asshole @Grateful Retainer but I'm an honest person and I just had to get this out as I am currently preparing for my time after PAWS. I think I still need some months although I am 3 weeks ahead of 24 months but I know I will recover and the last thing I want to do is to start all over again. Give yourself time even if PAWS is over and stop the behaviour that got you in this mess in the first place. I wish you all the best. I don't think you need to go another 21 months. I think letting the body cool off and letting the natural 14 day orgasm hangover passing by without binging will be enough for you to feel good again. Just don't throw everything over board again.
     
  20. Nah, his brain is not ready for dopamine from sex or orgasm yet. Emotional connection is different from physical withdrawals you get from pmo or sex overload.
     
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