P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. UWSDave

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    I don’t know that I would go so far as to say it’s “damaging,” since B12 is pretty objectively good for your body, but I think high doses of anything can be destabilizing when we’re in this state. If you search B12 on benzo forums you’ll find reports of people in withdrawal who say they had trouble tolerating it even though they needed to take it to cure a deficiency. But if you don’t feel worse on your dosage you’re probably all good.
     
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  2. @DerJogge no offense taken at all. I don't get better by being fed a line of bullshit.

    Actually this might be my last post in this thread because I think I've finally gotten to the crux of what ails me. While meditating last night I finally had the epiphany that I had tried to bury deep within myself for a long, long time: I am bisexual. Of course sexuality is a spectrum so I would classify myself as 80/20 straight/gay but I've finally admitted to myself that a part of me desires sexual activity with men.

    I've been open about having sex with guys and trannies before but I was trying to delude myself that it was strictly due to addiction. While that might be a part of it, I've always truly known that I was also satisfying that 20% of me. For the first time in my life I can finally admit that.

    Now that I've admitted it to myself I think the true healing can begin.
     
  3. DerJogge

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    I'm struggling to see a connection between your flatline and possibly being bisexual. If you feel bad after sex with a woman then I don't think that you will feel better after having sex with a guy or a tranny. To me it seems like living out your sexuality in every form and aspect still seems like pretty big part of your life and well being. I personally don't think that this is the path to go, but that's just my personal opinion. I went down the rabbit hole of satisfying all my sexual needs and I can tell you there is no gold pot at the end waiting for you, there is no endpoint to reach. It's gonna be constant monster of lust that has to be satisfied over and over again until you are completely depleted. It's actually a modern myth and illusion that you can only be happy if you satisfy every aspect of your sexuality. If you identify with every thought and sexual expression that arises then you will have a hard time of ever having a balanced and healthy sexuality.

    I think you are feeling bad through sex because your brain is not able to handle all those neurochemicals and that your brain isn't fully recovered yet. Having a realization that you're bisexual isn't gonna change the fact that your reward system can't handle sex and as I wrote earlier: having sex with strangers isn't a wise thing to do if you earlier in life had problems with this kind of behaviour that led you into PAWS. It could also be that I am missing a point and if so then I am sorry.
     
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  4. @DerJogge I think I was too vague in my statement. My epiphany has nothing to do with any physical symptoms of flatline, the two are completely unrelated. I think my journey with semen retention (along with other good habits I picked up along the way) has finally given me a level of maturity to be honest with myself about my sexuality. Also I don't think it's a coincidence that it occurred after I had exited the flatline (although I fucked that up).

    This is outside the scope of what this thread is intended for (at least I'm not bitching about covid right) so this will be my final word on the matter here.
     
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  5. fellowBrother

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    I am 9 months in and just came out of a flatline and my libido is CRAZY. I find myself talking to women in supermarkets with only the intention of having sex. I feel the addiction coaxing me. At what point do i reset because of this? Like today I walked up to a girl i've known for years and complimented her butt. It was the addiction talking 100%. I'm not watching porn and im not MOing at all. I do fantasize though. This is such a hard problem to lose man. It really is.
     
  6. Nabson

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    C'est tout à fait normal de penser au sexe avec une femme ce n'est pas une addiction
    C'est simplement le fait qu'elle te plaît
    Dans ce cas essaie de construire une vraie relation amoureuse avec une femme et tu verras que les relation sexuelle seront magnifique
     
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  7. fellowBrother

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    Interesting..... I love having my libido back. I am way more motivated to talk to women but man....... I cant stop thinking about sex.
     
  8. Nabson

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    Essaie de construire un lien affectif tu verras c mieu
     
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  9. DerJogge

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    Well I think its normal for the primitive brain to be active and get your genes out there. It's nothing unusual or abnormal to have the craving of having sex with another person but it ultimately doesn't serves our happiness and well being. Nature and your genes don't care about an individuals happiness and well being, it's only caring about spreading the genes and securing the existence of a species.

    I know this is thrown around a lot and seems to help with everything but meditation helps to disconnect from your thoughts, which are often just an expression of your mind which translates the bodies needs. I think your body has reached its full potential by overcoming the physical and psychological flatline and thus its screaming for finally doing the thing its whole existence is intended to. Part of the life after the flatline/PAWS is to manage and control those strong urges. The addiction pathways we created in the past are too similar to the behavior of having sex which constant novelties.
     
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  10. wfcasdvwervdsv

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    Did it come back all of a sudden or was it gradual? Was your libido non-existent whilst in the flatline or just low?

    congrats on making it out the flatline btw
     
  11. OhWhenThe

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    I think this is something guys in here underestimate and should prepare for. You might think you've gone too far to ever fall back in again but that's a lot easier to say when you're deep in a flatline than when you're being bombarded with thoughts and urges to bone anything that moves.
     
  12. fellowBrother

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    My libido for the past two or three months has been little to nonexistent. I would not have any motivation whatsoever to pursue women even if they were very beautiful and in the situation where I did it was like I struggle to keep the motivation which was very aggravating because I would have the desire to pursue the girl but not the motivation if you see what I mean. My libido came back I would say gradually In a 2 to 3 day period. I haven’t gotten much sleep the past two or three days because it’s been so crazy and it’s so difficult not to feed the fantasizing especially when around beautiful women.I still feel like an Addict, But I have not PMOD in nine months. I have a strong desire to get on dating apps right now and literally just go have sex but I am learning to control that desire because that would be considered a relapse. I am hoping all of this fantasizing doesn’t put me back. I’m trying really hard to stop but it’s really difficult and every time I see a beautiful woman there is that urge to just go talk to her but I hate that it’s just for sex
     
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  13. Seeking_the_answers

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    I have a quick question since I was out shopping today and it had me wondering, sexual ads we see in stores and out on the streets does not count as a relapse? I came across a slightly sexual ad on the street and some clothing line with a sexual image on it was worried on whether that counts as a relapse or not
     
  14. Monkeyboyab2c

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    Nah you’re good. You can’t avoid seeing sexual images completely. It think it mostly comes down to the choice you make when you encounter such images. Are you going to dwell on them and let them lead you to a real relapse or do you accept that they are there and move on?
     
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  15. Seeking_the_answers

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    And do you think it doesn't count as a relapse because those images are out of our control? I've been wondering about this
     
  16. Monkeyboyab2c

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    Yeah that and the minuscule amount of dopamine seeing those images probably produced was negligible compared to what hours of edging to high speed Internet porn and orgasm produces. I don’t think they are nearly the same.
     
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    Guys, I want to know how do you spend your time? I have so much physical pain and vision issues that I'm not able to ignore it and have been unable to go get a job at all since almost 7-8 months.
     
  18. sikreodds97

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    Do any of you have social anxiety from PAWS? I feel like social anxiety has destroyed my life and it started when i became addicted to weed and pmo and its still there during paws.
     
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  20. Dave G 123

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    I'm in a lot of pain as well. Seem to be developing arthritis, amongst other things. I spend a lot of time listening to podcasts (offline, audio only) and watching Netflix.
     
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