P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

I actually went to visit doctor Waldinger. He was the main guy who investigated the whole POIS phenomenom. That was back in 2015 tho. He was a Dutch professor. Too bad he died.

Believe it or not but I was the one that told me that pornography might be the issue for a lot of POIS suffering guys. He started getting mad at me me for implying that. He wanted to stay to the premise that allergic reactions to sperm was likely the main cause.

I told him about the withdrawal hypothesis. And he later even adopted it.

The POIS wikipedia page dedicated to the withdrawal hypothesis is mostly written by me.
 
POIS symptoms started very mild for me at the very beginning like 3.5 years ago, noticed slight head pressure after sex. Then since 9-12 months or so, its severe and unbearable pain after orgasm
 
It is interesting indeed. I do not get POIS only paws. Orgasm for me either does nothing, sends me into a flatline or makes me feel better.

For me P is certainly the problem
 
It is interesting indeed. I do not get POIS only paws. Orgasm for me either does nothing, sends me into a flatline or makes me feel better.

For me P is certainly the problem

Yeah POIS in its full effect is a new thing for me, I had small symptoms of it, but now this is a big effect.

How you progressing, your at like 7 months now?
 
Hey guys,

it puts a smile on my face to see Don back in here.

I'm creeping around 33-34 months. It's hard to say if I'm making real progress as some areas are improving while others seem to decline and through my brain fogged and derealized perceptions it's hard to maintain a consistent evaluation of my own symptoms in comparison to past point in time.

There are several things that improved and it mostly revolves around a natural motivation to approach women and start living again. There is a constant itch to go big and to finally participate in life which involves more than studying, working, sleeping and taking a lot of rest. Since about two months I actively want to change things and jump over my shadow and stop being held back by my symptoms. I simply can't stand it anymore to let PAWS dictate my life. I can't endure the pain of watching others living their life while I'm held in chains. Although my social anxiety isn't gone completely I went for several things that I would never dreamed of 1-2 years ago.

As some of you know I don't drink alcohol anymore and going to music festivals was once a big part of my summer activities. I always feared that I never could visit one festival again as everyone is drinking heavily. One month ago I had a really cheap offer for a ticket and I said fuck it, I'm going on a festival with my sister and friends. I'm proud to say that I had great days despite being in PAWS and despite not drinking alcohol. Prior to the festival I also asked a girl out that I was working with once a week as I noticed that we are vibing really good. It took me some courage but I managed to ask a real life woman if she wants to go on a date and it wasn't sexually motivated in any way. This was an insane victory for myself. Back to the festival, on day 2 I had an awesome spiritual experience where I became one with the universe for some minutes and where I entered a state of feeling no difference between myself and the rest of the universe. It was awesome. The same night there was girl smiling directly at me for like 5-10 seconds and I just want ahead and talked to her which is a thing I normally wouldn't do at all. Those days I simply had no problem or anxiety talking to girls directly. Long story short, we made out and ended up in my tent where I got a handjob. I didn't lasted very long but it was fun. I didn't planned on having any kind of hookup experience but things turned out this way and there was just this natural libido and horniness. It wasn't like I was searching an oppurtunity of having an orgasm that night but it simply happened. I didn't crashed afterwards, I had a chaser effect for a few days. After the festival I was feeling very tired and worn out and somehow depressed but it's hard to say where this really came from. I mostly would say it was the effects of not sleeping more then 3-4 hours a night for 4 days while being in a really hot and messy environment and not so much that 1 minute handjob + orgasm. I also caught covid and got sick right afterwards for about 2 weeks which also was accompanied by migraines with aura that I didn't have in a long time. But covid fucked me up really bad. Had fever for 4 days, pain throat, constantly coughing, head pain. Some friends of me had similiar experiences. I also drank more coffee on the festival than usual so this could also be reason for the migraines.

After all I don't think that a sexual encounter like this was causing any problems but I'm not planning on repeating that again. I simply was so god damn horny I couldn't contain myself. If my brain and body can't handle this then I will never recover. As I stated before weed, other drugs and alcohol were my main problems. Sure I had times of sex addiction but it never was a real problem.

I'm slowly recovering from covid but I'm still having troubles finding back into my routine. Routine is extremely important for me. Sleep + eat routine is big part of my well being and I think that recovery mainly revolves around finding a routine and sticking with it for a few months. At least thats my way out of PAWS. I need to break a cycle that is going on forever. I need to get rid of the derealization. If I'm not brain fogged and derealized my life is freaking awesome. If I see the world clearly and without having the feeling of having a visual snowy 2D vision then I need nothing more. I can handle negative thoughts, I can handle all kind of shit and found outlets of pulling myself out of the misery but being derealized is by far the worst. My symptoms mostly revolve around my vision. My guess is that my brain is still recovering on the seretonine receptors and thus my fight flight and especially FREEZE reaction is still firing and that's why I'm derealized. I fucking hate being derealized. Beside that my symptoms mostly have calmed down. My sleep could be better but could also be worse. But not being connected to the world and having like a input lag is by far the worst. The day I get rid of the derealization I will be free and happy, simply as that.

In order to get there I just tried this week to force myself to deep breath more. I need to break the feedback loop on the physical side and calm down my brain and body so it knows it's safe.

I also forgot mentioning that I started working out last month which I will pick up these days again as my body is finally healing from covid and I also picked up making music again and I made some sick ass lofi hip hop beats. It's really a big part of living again. Making music was always my dream and even in my current state I'm able to make great music that touches the soul (at least mine and the people around me). I currently started upgrading my audio setup and bought new speakers and an audio interface. I also started plans on transforming my room in an amateur home studio to get a good reference sound for mixing my tracks. I'm just so hyped about making music. I started a little DIY project where I'm expanding my working desk. My brain could be better on abstract thinking but the simple fact that I want to do all those things is a good thing for me. I'm slowly starting to build up a healthy set of tools that I can pull out in order to properly stimulate my brain without causing the receptors to go crazy. Making music, working out, riding my bike that I bought some months ago, working my two jobs, studying and managing the shit of my parents.

Sometimes I'm overwhelmed by life but I keep going. I'm currently meeting the girl that I asked out and we slowly get to know each other. She is a good soul but we also talked about the fact that we both are in process of finding back to health and happiness and we don't know if it's wise to allow something like this at the moment. But we said we keep meeting each other and being honest and upright if we don't feel comfortable with anything. Yesterday she cried at some point because she was hormonal and we talked about some pretty sensitive stuff. I talked to her and hugged her and made her feel comfortable again which she was thankful about. It was a pretty intimate and beautiful moment that didn't involved any kissing or something like that. Just two humans sitting on the ground in a park and talking about life and comforting each other. I don't know where this is going but I'm also ready to cut it off if I realize that it's not working for me.

But I'm starting to live again folks. I'm getting back on my feet. PAWS will end but I won't wait for it anymore. I'm tired of this after nearly 3 years of isolating myself. This doesn't mean that I will induce in regular sexual activity or let coffee back into my life (I actually go for zero tolerance on that again) but I won't hold myself back when I get into a situation where a woman wants to be intimate with me BUT I'm not actively going around hooking up with women in order to get there.

Last thing I wanna talk about is the fact that people started to notice me again. I'm not a fucking ghost anymore. I'm 1,92m big and my weight is around 91-93 kg and for the last two years I was walking through the world like people didn't even see me. Nowadays there is some obvious magnetism from women. Not every woman but often when I walk around and put my focus on something else then women and then I accidentally notice some woman staring pretty hard at me while getting really shy if she sees me looking at her. I also have much more intense eye contact and I can also maintain it if my symptoms are not to present. I just notice that some women are really crazy about me and I allow this to nourish the healthy side of my ego after nearly 3 years of walking through this world feeling invisible. I hope you guys don't get it wrong and think of me like some arrogant asshole but I'm just happy that the world has respect and attention for me again.

There are many other things that happened but I'm getting to the point of writing a big ass wall of text so I stop here.

Just so you guys know, I'm still out there on the battlefield fighting and I won't stop until my brain is back to normal until then I'm building on my empire in secret and for myself. I keep going with my music. I will turn around the life situation of my parents. I will finish my studying. FUCK PAWS
Hey man! Loved reading this. It's very similar to my own experience where I still had paws, but was anxious to start living a real life. I imagine in a year or less, you'll be where I'm at today. Where feeling normal all day is the norm. And your abstract reasoning will get so much better. It'll inch along for months in improvement until one minute you, in all shyness, have to consider truthfully that you very well have improved significantly in that area.

And I'm telling you, getting with those girls is one of the best things (in my opinion) that you could do. Wise of you to be cautious about being sexual. That is still gonna be a big deal. I work with almost all women. And I manage them professionally. Being in that environment for the last two years (looking back) was and has been extremely critical in my recovery process. The women are super sweet and fun girls to work with, and over the last two years, I've fallen in "love" with them, having a deep care and compassion for them. Forming natural attachment bonds with women (once you finally can) does wonders for the rewiring process. For me, it deepened my sense of emotionality and connection to the real physical world in ways that mere abstinence couldn't really do. Just a week ago, I was reflecting on how natural it was for me to connect with people. It's weird. It's like I've developed this super power to just get on anyone and everyone's level and form a connection with them, and when I do, I feel myself becoming healthier and more whole mentally and physically.

Attachment theory, and the concept of secure attachment bonding, has strong correlational values to sustaining recovery from addiction. People who have several secure attachment bonds in their life have a 60% greater likelihood of recovery from substance abuse addictions. We are social organisms, and we self-regulate and sustain our health by and through (secure) emotional attachments to others.

My goal in life, moving forward, is to return to nofap. I'd like, in theory, to do another 2 years no PMO while I focus on my masters. Ultimately, my purpose in life is to attain wholeness. And I can feel it. I can feel my brain coming together and unifying like never before. I'm way more in tune with my unconscious. Way more receptive to it. Patient. Willing to listen. Willing to connect with the unknown behind the curtain of consciousness. I'm naturally gravitating towards a Jungian approach as a process of individuation into wholeness of being. There are so many dissonant, dissociated psychic forces, personalities, energies, drives (whatever you want to call them) within the unconscious that require attention and attunement. And that just resonates with me, generally speaking. I'm existing in a greater state of anxiety free faith in the unknown. Following my heart, listening to my body and mind, attending to its projections and symbols, my intuitions. I'm reconnecting with God - whether that's the real one or the "archetype" in my mind. I've realized I have a relationship with God within myself (whether real or not) as a psychic force or "complex." And because I'm reaching for wholeness, I'm finally open and healthy enough to desire a secure attachment bond to the God within (even if I can't speak of the God without/the "real" one). We all have that "God sense." And that sense is relevant to my wellbeing. Rejecting it out of spite or intellectual egotism is counterproductive to my health. Having a positive and secure bond or relationship with the psychic forces in my psyche is key. I'm working towards a harmonization of the internal pantheon, and so far so good.

I recently found someone who might have access to psilocybin mushrooms where I live, and I'm planning on getting some and taking more while I map out a therapeutic use for them. That first and last trip I had a few months ago still has benefits I'm reaping to this day. And I didn't take very much. And more than half the trip was spent with friends, laughing and goofing off. The extremely therapeutic part happened at the end when I was alone and asked the psilocybin to help me and sent the fairy from my unconscious to help clean my brain (and if you read my previous post) removed my brain fog completely. It also was instrumental in jumpstarting my capacity for emotional attachment to people. I've been way more empathetic and naturally bonding after that trip. I think psychedelics are gonna be an instrumental tool in reaching deeper states of acceptance and love, and healing past traumas and their influences over me, as it already has.

Finally, last night I had sex with that girl again (twice). So, again, two orgasms for the week in one night. Before I had sex with her I just simply felt great - emotionally, mentally, physically. I was walking in a park, and, I don't know, I just felt so connected to everything in my environment. Eager to live life. Yeah, that's my report! I felt great at the end of a week after having sex at the start. We'll see how it goes this following week doing it so closely to the last time. But I just said, what the hell to it. Once again, I was able to function sexually. Got way harder the second time, and it was only after about an hour or two of talking in between. I did not last more than a minute the second time, so still pretty serious PE. Not super worried about that. When I was driving home, I just noticed that my brain didn't feel anything like I do after I glimpse porn or see anything sexual digitally. That brain fog didn't come. And it genuinely seems to my own subjective consciousness that the sex did not in anyway malign my cognition. I do feel a slight sensitivity, and a very, very, very, very slight sense of sinus pressure behind my eyes and near the roof of my forehead where it dips into my nose bridge. My brain does have that more ethereal fluffy cotton ball lightness to it the day after, less rooted and slightly more indifferent to absorbing pleasure, but I think that's my receptors calming down.

Anyway, I think the release of oxytocin really does counteract the surge of pleasure from the orgasm. Having sex feels absolutely nothing like masturbating or watching porn. It feels like it's coming from a completely different part of my brain. Also, I should note that when I started cuddling her, my physical senses were more alive than the last time. Like my body was connecting to hers, activating emotions that were more vibrant and sensuous than before. I think that's evidence that the rewiring process is the real deal. I don't hate sex, but I don't really think I like it that much yet. One because, while I have a connection to this girl, I'm not in love with her. She's not my girl. But secondly, I think my brain is still a little bit, "whoa what are we doing?" In the act of sex. I imagine I have a longer way to go actually rewiring. But I'm just so much more confident (as is) in the possibility of having a long term partnership where sex happens regularly and more frequently. Absolutely no bingeing it. I know that would become unhealthy and addictive - and cause a lot of problems I started out with. But once a week? That seems realistic with minimal disruption. And there are tons of couples that have sex on weekends, or even once a month. Maybe, if I can get a girl with a lower sex drive, I could make that work.

Point is, there are possibilities, and I am extremely hopeful for my future. For once it finally doesn't look bleak and impossible, for once it finally is showing signs of normalcy. All emotional, physical, and mental evidence is pointing to the idea that having had this sex has been overwhelmingly positive for me. I don't want to get presumptuous. I know things can change, and the brain is a mystery, but living on faith - hoping and praying the right thing is the right thing. Please have me in your prayers through the week.

I'll keep you posted.
 
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Hey man! Loved reading this. It's very similar to my own experience where I still had paws, but was anxious to start living a real life. I imagine in a year or less, you'll be where I'm at today. Where feeling normal all day is the norm. And your abstract reasoning will get so much better. It'll inch along for months in improvement until one minute you, in all shyness, have to consider truthfully that you very well have improved significantly in that area.

And I'm telling you, getting with those girls is one of the best things (in my opinion) that you could do. Wise of you to be cautious about being sexual. That is still gonna be a big deal. I work with almost all women. And I manage them professionally. Being in that environment for the last two years (looking back) was and has been extremely critical in my recovery process. The women are super sweet and fun girls to work with, and over the last two years, I've fallen in "love" with them, having a deep care and compassion for them. Forming natural attachment bonds with women (once you finally can) does wonders for the rewiring process. For me, it deepened my sense of emotionality and connection to the real physical world in ways that mere abstinence couldn't really do. Just a week ago, I was reflecting on how natural it was for me to connect with people. It's weird. It's like I've developed this super power to just get on anyone and everyone's level and form a connection with them, and when I do, I feel myself becoming healthier and more whole mentally and physically.

Attachment theory, and the concept of secure attachment bonding, has strong correlational values to sustaining recovery from addiction. People who have several secure attachment bonds in their life have a 60% greater likelihood of recovery from substance abuse addictions. We are social organisms, and we self-regulate and sustain our health by and through (secure) emotional attachments to others.

My goal in life, moving forward, is to return to nofap. I'd like, in theory, to do another 2 years no PMO while I focus on my masters. Ultimately, my purpose in life is to attain wholeness. And I can feel it. I can feel my brain coming together and unifying like never before. I'm way more in tune with my unconscious. Way more receptive to it. Patient. Willing to listen. Willing to connect with the unknown behind the curtain of consciousness. I'm naturally gravitating towards a Jungian approach as a process of individuation into wholeness of being. There are so many dissonant, dissociated psychic forces, personalities, energies, drives (whatever you want to call them) within the unconscious that require attention and attunement. And that just resonates with me, generally speaking. I'm existing in a greater state of anxiety free faith in the unknown. Following my heart, listening to my body and mind, attending to its projections and symbols, my intuitions. I'm reconnecting with God - whether that's the real one or the "archetype" in my mind. I've realized I have a relationship with God within myself (whether real or not) as a psychic force or "complex." And because I'm reaching for wholeness, I'm finally open and healthy enough to desire a secure attachment bond to the God within (even if I can't speak of the God without/the "real" one). We all have that "God sense." And that sense is relevant to my wellbeing. Rejecting it out of spite or intellectual egotism is counterproductive to my health. Having a positive and secure bond or relationship with the psychic forces in my psyche is key. I'm working towards a harmonization of the internal pantheon, and so far so good.

I recently found someone who might have access to psilocybin mushrooms where I live, and I'm planning on getting some and taking more while I map out a therapeutic use for them. That first and last trip I had a few months ago still has benefits I'm reaping to this day. And I didn't take very much. And more than half the trip was spent with friends, laughing and goofing off. The extremely therapeutic part happened at the end when I was alone and asked the psilocybin to help me and sent the fairy from my unconscious to help clean my brain (and if you read my previous post) removed my brain fog completely. It also was instrumental in jumpstarting my capacity for emotional attachment to people. I've been way more empathetic and naturally bonding after that trip. I think psychedelics are gonna be an instrumental tool in reaching deeper states of acceptance and love, and healing past traumas and their influences over me, as it already has.

Finally, last night I had sex with that girl again (twice). So, again, two orgasms for the week in one night. Before I had sex with her I just simply felt great - emotionally, mentally, physically. I was walking in a park, and, I don't know, I just felt so connected to everything in my environment. Eager to live life. Yeah, that's my report! I felt great at the end of a week after having sex at the start. We'll see how it goes this following week doing it so closely to the last time. But I just said, what the hell to it. Once again, I was able to function sexually. Got way harder the second time, and it was only after about an hour or two of talking in between. I did not last more than a minute the second time, so still pretty serious PE. Not super worried about that. When I was driving home, I just noticed that my brain didn't feel anything like I do after I glimpse porn or see anything sexual digitally. That brain fog didn't come. And it genuinely seems to my own subjective consciousness that the sex did not in anyway malign my cognition. I do feel a slight sensitivity, and a very, very, very, very slight sense of sinus pressure behind my eyes and near the roof of my forehead where it dips into my nose bridge. My brain does have that more ethereal fluffy cotton ball lightness to it the day after, less rooted and slightly more indifferent to absorbing pleasure, but I think that's my receptors calming down.

Anyway, I think the release of oxytocin really does counteract the surge of pleasure from the orgasm. Having sex feels absolutely nothing like masturbating or watching porn. It feels like it's coming from a completely different part of my brain. Also, I should note that when I started cuddling her, my physical senses were more alive than the last time. Like my body was connecting to hers, activating emotions that were more vibrant and sensuous than before. I think that's evidence that the rewiring process is the real deal. I don't hate sex, but I don't really think I like it that much yet. One because, while I have a connection to this girl, I'm not in love with her. She's not my girl. But secondly, I think my brain is still a little bit, "whoa what are we doing?" In the act of sex. I imagine I have a longer way to go actually rewiring. But I'm just so much more confident (as is) in the possibility of having a long term partnership where sex happens regularly and more frequently. Absolutely no bingeing it. I know that would become unhealthy and addictive - and cause a lot of problems I started out with. But once a week? That seems realistic with minimal disruption. And there are tons of couples that have sex on weekends, or even once a month. Maybe, if I can get a girl with a lower sex drive, I could make that work.

Point is, there are possibilities, and I am extremely hopeful for my future. For once it finally doesn't look bleak and impossible, for once it finally is showing signs of normalcy. All emotional, physical, and mental evidence is pointing to the idea that having had this sex has been overwhelmingly positive for me. I don't want to get presumptuous. I know things can change, and the brain is a mystery, but living on faith - hoping and praying the right thing is the right thing.

I'll keep you posted.

Hi Don, keep the data coming in.

I understand everything that you say in your posts, this past 3 years I tore Jungian work to pieces to understand what is happening, and this reconnectiong to God I fully get.

It's just for some reason I can't seem to get the willpower to get back on a long long streak like where you are. After 3.5 years Im just fed up. For sure tomorrow, I can throw away my burner phone and create the conditions to get to another 90 days monk mode, but then what? Maybe I just need to let go of sexuality fully for a few years. Even during my last 3.5 years it was always still there in the background
 
Hey guys I reached a bit of a milestone. I don’t check my day counter that often but I got curious the other day and realized that today marks 900 days Porn and masturbation free for me. I don’t have a lot of people who realize what that’s been like, and the only people who know what that’s like while dealing with PAWS are you guys. You guys have helped keep me sane so thank you all for that.
 
Hi Don, keep the data coming in.

I understand everything that you say in your posts, this past 3 years I tore Jungian work to pieces to understand what is happening, and this reconnectiong to God I fully get.

It's just for some reason I can't seem to get the willpower to get back on a long long streak like where you are. After 3.5 years Im just fed up. For sure tomorrow, I can throw away my burner phone and create the conditions to get to another 90 days monk mode, but then what? Maybe I just need to let go of sexuality fully for a few years. Even during my last 3.5 years it was always still there in the background

It's possible that it might be the question of, "what does it profit a man to gain the world, but lose his soul" type of narrative. The world being your attachment to sex and all the symbolic energy that's mapped to it. I know this is a little esoteric, so take it with a grain of salt, but maybe until you get to a point where you know in the deepest portions of your soul that you can be fulfilled apart from the sexual pathology, once your soul is convinced it no longer needs self-sexual exploitation, because you yourself have transcended it, or rather, confronted the complex to its deepest core, you will, in an ironic paradox, be able to rebuild a natural healthy communion with the act of sex.
 
Yeah POIS in its full effect is a new thing for me, I had small symptoms of it, but now this is a big effect.

How you progressing, your at like 7 months now?

That would honestly suck if orgasm made things worse every time.

I am still going, sort of. I pmod for a few minutes about a week ago. My symptoms had reached a peak and i wanted a break. It marked huge progress for me as there was no edging involved but it did relieve some symptoms. I cant really say it did any damage at all to be honest. The edging is where things get really bad for me.

My problem has been that i wake up during sleep around 12 at night with a huge urge to MO. Since im still half asleep i just do it because i cannot control myself. It creates a chaser effect which i have to deal with constantly. Its like my brain tricks me during sleep because it cant get what it wants during the day. Ive started taking sleeping tablets just to try and get rid of this behaviour
 
Hi guys,

I'm just catching up on messages and there are a lot of gems here, but something that has recently come to mind:

How many of us here are actually rewiring? When I say rewiring I don't mean with intermittent sex, or casual hookups. I am asking who here is actually pushing the boat out to get to know someone without sex? Who has a significant other that they can be honest with? There have been a few posts between us that mention sexual encounters, but the common denominator seems to be that there is a large focus on withdrawal symptoms and avoiding PMO.

I think it was DonQ who mentioned spending 2+ years, with little to no relapses and still not feeling healed. Something that I can certainly relate to. When reading the recovery stories of long rebooters, it's the same thing. Most of them met somebody to rewire with, and if they didn't they went 2+ years with little to no relapses (supposedly). So its pushed me to the question of who here is rewiring with a regular partner? I think a lot of us underestimate or write-off the importance of rewiring with somebody, simply because we cannot see the correlation between having somebody to be intimate with and withdrawal symptoms. However after spending so long on this thread, I am starting question whether this is the missing piece for most of us here.

For the guys that have been successfully rebooting for the past 18 months+, have you been attempting to rewire?
 
Attachment theory, and the concept of secure attachment bonding, has strong correlational values to sustaining recovery from addiction. People who have several secure attachment bonds in their life have a 60% greater likelihood of recovery from substance abuse addictions. We are social organisms, and we self-regulate and sustain our health by and through (secure) emotional attachments to others.
Hi,

Could you tell me where you got this from? I know that attachment (or lack of it) is at the root of my problems. I have recently re-started therapy to try and look in to this further. Given the near total lack of attachment that happened after I was born, this is something I am rather pessimistic about in my own case.
 
Hi,

Could you tell me where you got this from? I know that attachment (or lack of it) is at the root of my problems. I have recently re-started therapy to try and look in to this further. Given the near total lack of attachment that happened after I was born, this is something I am rather pessimistic about in my own case.
I got it from a literature review I was helping a university professor edit. I don't have the sources because there were multiple throughout. But if you look up attachment theory and substance abuse, you should find some articles that pertain to that. Essentially, that's what the article was getting at.
 
I got it from a literature review I was helping a university professor edit. I don't have the sources because there were multiple throughout. But if you look up attachment theory and substance abuse, you should find some articles that pertain to that. Essentially, that's what the article was getting at.
Cheers dude!
 
Hey update,

So, it looks like having sex (two orgasms back to back) once a week results in a max 15% decrease in mental quality and minimum 5% decrease in mental quality. Those percentages are somewhat relative throughout the week, but after 5 days I'm close if not entirely back to baseline. With one orgasm per week, I think my max dip would be 5% and my minimum would be 1/1.5% dip in quality.

Part of the stress flare that happens post orgasms (throughout the repair stages) strikes me as maybe having some connection to a latent form of ptsd related to sexual ejaculation. It's so obvious that my brain is treating the orgasm as some form of danger when it does that. I think keeping a positive and healthy approach to sex will be key. But also, coaching my brain to not fear (through minimal sensitive exposure over time) might help improve that. Although, along with that, I do notice a slight (maybe 3.5%) cognitive/functional constriction post orgasm. Usually on the second or third day (the repair stages). It's sensitive enough for me to believe that excessive orgasm or sex would be overbearing for my reward system. Anything more than weekly would quickly show more severe after effects.
 
Hey update,

So, it looks like having sex (two orgasms back to back) once a week results in a max 15% decrease in mental quality and minimum 5% decrease in mental quality. Those percentages are somewhat relative throughout the week, but after 5 days I'm close if not entirely back to baseline. With one orgasm per week, I think my max dip would be 5% and my minimum would be 1/1.5% dip in quality.

Part of the stress flare that happens post orgasms (throughout the repair stages) strikes me as maybe having some connection to a latent form of ptsd related to sexual ejaculation. It's so obvious that my brain is treating the orgasm as some form of danger when it does that. I think keeping a positive and healthy approach to sex will be key. But also, coaching my brain to not fear (through minimal sensitive exposure over time) might help improve that. Although, along with that, I do notice a slight (maybe 3.5%) cognitive/functional constriction post orgasm. Usually on the second or third day (the repair stages). It's sensitive enough for me to believe that excessive orgasm or sex would be overbearing for my reward system. Anything more than weekly would quickly show more severe after effects.
Hey Don, this sounds like a pretty big win, a congrats is in order for sure.

Just to put these stats into perspective, can you remind on how many years of PMO you are recovering from?
 
Hey Don, this sounds like a pretty big win, a congrats is in order for sure.

Just to put these stats into perspective, can you remind on how many years of PMO you are recovering from?
I started noticing bad symptoms back in 2017. Went 4 months no pmo. Fell into a spell of relapses and streaks for the next year or so where my symptoms got impossibly worse, and then I got on a 2 year long no pmo streak that ended after 24+ months or so, and then I had streaks of several months with intermittent mo and some bingeing on p during separate occasions up until today. It's been about 4 years since I've pmo'd. Last time I mo'd was about 2 months ago? Same with seeing pornography.

It's been almost a week since I last had sex, and I'm still noticing improvements from my post orgasm decline. I'm pretty much 100% certain that I have POIS and that I've had it from the beginning of my decline way back in 2017, which is why the effects were far more severe and long lasting. I've been doing a lot of research on it, and I'm just not sure what the source of it all is because no one knows.

It just doesn't make sense that someone could go so long without pmo, make a lot of strides in recovery, only to be backhanded into negative symptoms the second you orgasm. Something's not adding up here.

Anyone interested in looking into POIS for themselves, here's a forum (similar to this one) for it:

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448

Also, I found this youtube clip of this guy. He had POIS for 20+ years, which ended up ruining a significant portion of his life. He tried everything, but finally came to the point where he went 4 full years hardmode no pmo, and he claims that cured him of his POIS. Here's the link to his story below:

 
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Anyone interested in looking into POIS for themselves, here's a forum (similar to this one) for it:

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448
THIS!

How have I managed to miss this site!? OMG.

"Is POIS a version of CFS?" Darn tootin it is!

Thankyou Don as ever. Will be spending the rest of the day reading this site. I've been on for an hour already, and it's like coming home.

From what I can see there isn't much discussion of PAWS. I think I have PAWS and POIS, but of course, who can really say for sure, and does the difference really matter? The solution is still the same either way!
 
I started noticing bad symptoms back in 2017. Went 4 months no pmo. Fell into a spell of relapses and streaks for the next year or so where my symptoms got impossibly worse, and then I got on a 2 year long no pmo streak that ended after 24+ months or so, and then I had streaks of several months with intermittent mo and some bingeing on p during separate occasions up until today. It's been about 4 years since I've pmo'd. Last time I mo'd was about 2 months ago? Same with seeing pornography.

It's been almost a week since I last had sex, and I'm still noticing improvements from my post orgasm decline. I'm pretty much 100% certain that I have POIS and that I've had it from the beginning of my decline way back in 2017, which is why the effects were far more severe and long lasting. I've been doing a lot of research on it, and I'm just not sure what the source of it all is because no one knows.

It just doesn't make sense that someone could go so long without pmo, make a lot of strides in recovery, only to be backhanded into negative symptoms the second you orgasm. Something's not adding up here.

Anyone interested in looking into POIS for themselves, here's a forum (similar to this one) for it:

https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.msg19448#msg19448

Also, I found this youtube clip of this guy. He had POIS for 20+ years, which ended up ruining a significant portion of his life. He tried everything, but finally came to the point where he went 4 full years hardmode no pmo, and he claims that cured him of his POIS. Here's the link to his story below:


Today is 3 years since I started rebooting and I couldn’t have asked for a better gift.

I read about POIS earlier this year and slept on the theory simply because I just couldn’t understand the science behind it, but watching the above video and hearing that it can take up to 4 years makes so much sense for me. Currently over the moon that potentially in a year from now I could be DONE with this thing once and for all.

I had a read of the comments and noticed a lot of people also suffered with alcohol. @Don Q
 
for the people saying they got permanent POIS from paws, you are still far from healing


stop fearmongering, I'm 2 years out of paws and I can assure you things go back to normal
 
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