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P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, May 12, 2019.

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  1. ArthurDutch

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    And it sucks more when you were high energy and high motivation before you started this shit but as you commit to remove this shit and face withdrawal symptoms, low energy and motivation show up and people start noticing that and you cant do anything but go through each day thinking and meditating on the positive side and seeking help
     
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  4. Chakancha

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    Hello everyone I've been on nofap for 4 years now with 2 pmo relapses 2 years ago. I broke up with my girlfriend 1 year ago because after each sex and orgasm with her I felt extremely bad for several weeks. I've been in Hardmode for almost 9 months now. Even though I have seen a lot of improvements in the last 3 months I am stagnating. I have the impression that my brain cannot "ink" into reality. as soon as I focus on my body or my environment, it's as if my brain was compressed, I very quickly feel a wave of anxiety and my heart racing. it is generally stronger when I am in a place where there are people or a lot of movement (public space, train, car,...). Impossible for me to meditate because of that. it is only when I occupy and distract my mind that I feel good. Does anyone feel this kind of thing? I wish you a good weekend
     
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  5. Experiment1996

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  6. Yeah I saw some of your posts there. Unfortunately PAWS could take a lot time depending the austerity of our addiction.
     
  7. Ezpz

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    Sorry to hear you have struggled for so long, but you must be nearing recovery! have you noticed many improvements from day to day? At 16 months i was noticing significant improvements month to month. Sadly i relapsed at that stage. I have been dealing with paws for about 6 years now so i know the struggle.

    Also, what is you caffeine consumption, if any?
     
  8. taikuri

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    I started pmo since like 7th grade give or take, and since it had a long destructive effect on me, my paws is taking longer than I expected.
     
  9. OhWhenThe

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    I don't know why you post on Reddit, most of replies you get are from people telling you paws ain't real or that flatlines can't last that long.
     
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  10. sikreodds97

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    Hi guys. 103 days after 6 years of going on different streaks and even hitting a 1 year streak once. Still in the depths of paws, severe social anxiety, mild anhedonia, etc. I remember the benefits from the first year of different streaks before paws hit.. I feel really hopeless and even tho i have hope i feel like i really need some succes stories besides sikreodds97. Do you please have any 2+ year paws sucess stories? Would love to read it.
     
  11. Have any of you guys tried Rewiring with a woman or dude which ever you prefer? My paws symptoms have gotten better in the past 6 months. This Saturday I managed to be aroused by my ex when I saw her. I was kinda drunk but I felt a real connection like before having my flatline. I had sex with her multiple times with orgasm. I also didn’t have failures with erections and prejaculation. After orgasms I was waiting for withdrawal symptoms to kick in like headaches and stuff. I actually felt connected with having sex with her this time compared the last few times. I also haven’t taken Ed drugs or done kegels. I’m hoping that this might keep helping. I didn’t believe in rewiring much but only time will tell. Sex in past few months we’re definitely not the best because of prejaculation but this time it was awesome in which my ex girl told me she noticed improvements as well. I
    did have sex with a older women as well and she definitely was satisfied. I hope this might encourage you all. Keep pushing guys.
     
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  12. Experiment1996

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    As I said before, I had PAWS reductions at month 4, 6, 18, and 32.

    You will always have PAWS if you relapse all the time. It's time to stop relapsing. 6 years of PAWS ?!

    What is your longest streak ?

    Streak = No conscious ejaculation. That means no PMO, no MO and no sex. Nothing !

    Some prolong their PAWS because they keep relapsing or drinking alcohol, taking drugs or medication.

    I do not take caffeine. Besides, caffeine does not delay healing.
     
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  13. Experiment1996

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    Why are you making life difficult for yourself ? By constantly relapsing, you are delaying your healing.
    Alcohol, drugs, medications, and anything that unnaturally stimulates your brain / dopamine / neurotransmitter in general, delays your healing.
     
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    You're right. Most don't even know there is such a thing as PAWS.

    Most on Reddit don't even make it 30 days. The sub on Reddit is filled with people who constantly relapse within 7 days.

    But on this forum I haven't read that many interesting posts or success stories either. Here the streaks seem to be longer, but many still relapse. Sex also counts as a relapse for me. This forum has better topics than the one on Reddit though.

    Many also don't understand that if they have sex, drink alcohol, use drugs or medications they are delaying their recovery.

    Some write that they have been abstinent for 1 or 2 years, although they have relapsed a few times. The streak counts from the last relapse. You should just be honest and not fool yourself and others.
     
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  15. Ezpz

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    I have had many decently long streaks over the 6 years ive had paws my longest being 16 months. Yes of course im aware that relapsing prolongs symptoms symptoms which is why ive been in this situation for such a long time. Unfortunately it is not something that is easy to stop otherwise none of us on here would still be here.

    I disagree with your final few points, i dont believe alcohol affects recovery but i certainly believe caffeine use does. Caffeine directly affects the central nervous system and paws compromises the cns. At the very least i believe it makes symptoms worse. Caffeine also affects sleep which is a huge factor in recovery.
     
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    And you are still in paws even after those years? I am the same, but then again my longest streak is 365 days, i have had a lot of streaks and also a lot of relapses and sex relapses. If some flatlines and paws take 2-3 years then it would make sense that relapse can delay it. I will never forget the benefits i got before paws, when paws hit it was even worse then when i was an addict, my whole soul have been gone for 4-5 years, its fucked. However this will be my last "streak" i will finally go through this shit and tbh if its not better by 365 days and ive had zero windows then maybe i should forget about it, but porn and masturbation is something i never want to return to.
     
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  17. Ezpz

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    Yes sadly i am. Relapse not only sets me back but it sets me back to day 1 in terms of recovery. Each relapse i have means going through initial withdrawal all over again, which is worse than paws for me.

    Sorry that you have had to deal with this for such a long time also, it isnt fun! Right now i feel the same way as you. Hopefully we can continue to progress through it this time.
     
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    I noticed that @Scorpio1990’s point got missed. Has anyone actually tried or attempted rewiring?

    There seems to be a ‘sweet spot’ in recovery that all of us seemed to hit right before PAWS. The point where morning wood begins to show up, you feel better but not quite healed, and your body generally moves closer to homeostasis. I am convinced that it is at this point that we should start to rewire. It is almost as if the positive symptoms prior to PAWS is your body giving you the ‘green light’ to start the next phase and begin rewiring. Miss the green light, and your symptoms seem to descend into PAWS.

    What I am saying is while avoiding relapse too often is still important, surely after 3+ years you want to be questioning your recovery strategy? I know after 3 years I definitely am because there is no way I am hitting 4 years recovery (let alone 6.) unless I really have to.
     
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    It just doesnt make any sense to me from a neurological perspective that having sex and ejaculating, releasing tons of dopamine and serotonin would help recover the brain from a downregulation of serotonin and dopamine? Surely we have to leave the brain alone so it can do its thing. I have been in sexual relationships doing paws and it doesnt help at all, it makes it worse for me and i have had zero good days while having sex. Sometimes on my long streaks i start having good days and good moments where im out of paws(its amazing). I think people underestimate how much ejaculation drains receptors in the brain. People only talk about porn, but from my experience i feel horrible after a MO relapse. Just the orgasm itself fucks my brain receptors, porn of course makes it a lot worse. I dont think sex in itself is bad at all, but during recovery you defiently shouldn be ejaculating. That is what you are trying to heal from. There are lots of success stories 2-3+ years hard mode where people suddenly get the amazing benefits back and snap out of paws. With sex i have read a few success stories but also a lot of guys who still feel terrible, having ED and so on.
     
  20. Experiment1996

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    I am 25 and have done PMO from 13 - 22.

    Month 1 - 6 -> Severe depression, severe social anxiety, severe anhedonia, DPDR (depersonalization & derealization), paranoia, panic attacks, intrusive thoughts, extreme irritability, constipation, bloating, frequent urination, weak urine stream, brain zaps, severe brain fog, severe fatigue, severe exhaustion, no energy, no motivation, no libido, no morning wood.

    Month 7 - 18 -> Severe depression, severe anhedonia, severe social anxiety, paranoia, panic attacks, intrusive thoughts, extreme irritability, constipation, weak bladder and urine stream, bloating, severe brain fog, severe fatigue, severe exhaustion, no energy, no motivation, no libido, no morning wood.

    Month 19 - 31 -> Depression, severe anhedonia, severe social anxiety, panic attacks, intrusive thoughts, irritability, sometimes constipation and sometimes normal stool, weak bladder and urine stream, severe brain fog, severe fatigue, severe exhaustion, very low energy, no motivation, very low libido, no morning wood.

    Month 32 - 34. I start with month 35 on Tuesday (01.11.2022). --- > Social anxiety, anhedonia, brain fog, low energy, low motivation, low libido, no morning wood, weak bladder and urine stream.

    I feel "normal" for the first time since month 32.

    But I still find it strange to see a photo of myself or when I look at myself in the mirror. But seeing myself in a photo, I find stranger.

    I was unemployed most of the time and received unemployment benefits.

    I have read about PAWS almost daily and have looked for success stories. I even have searched for success stories from PMO, alcohol, drugs and medications like benzos.

    The longest PAWS success story I have found was 48 months and that was from benzos.

    I expect to be healed at month 48.

    As you can see, I'm one of the worst cases.
     
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