P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

You ever tried tyrosine? It's an amino acid that converts to dopamine. Might try it.

Might get a high quality vitamin and mineral supplement too.

 

Some nofap elites YouTuber, you can tell by 3 years of abstinence that their perspective of life kind of change and for nofap also.

 

The thing is all of these 3 year abstinence guys on YouTube did not have PIED, they also didn't have the crippling paws/withdrawal. I suspect many of them are actually lying as they try and promote themselves as a men self help channel and market several products.

 

I also have the feeling that libido is the last thing to come back, it's the last thing to go when we start to experience negative symptons (I've heard this from a doctor) so it makes sense that it's also the last to return when we heal

 

that doesn't make sense to me because if I fon't eat for a few days I'll be hungry as fuck wanting to eat the first thing that come to my way, humans starving become animals, they don't lose their appetite

 

If my testosterone is too low (like below 200) I will start a treatment similar to what bodybuilders go through when they use steroid anabolics for too long and their bodies shut down endogenous production of testosterone, LH and FSH , (I won't be taking synthetic testosterone forever or permanently) they go through what we call PTC (post therapy cycle) which is a treatment that have the goal of reminding the body to produce the due amounts of hormones necessary to function properly. It's not a permanent thing, they usually take some medicines like Tamoxifen or HCG (among many others) to assist the body in its natural hormonal production, endogenous wise, the goal is literally to stimulate a reboot/restart/reset of their HHG axis (hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis) to send the body back to homeostasis.
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I've been a gym rat since 2013 and I know this realm, I know many guys who used AAS or use it regularly and they (most of the time) have to do a treatment to regulate their hormonal production once they stop the intake of steroids, otherwise the body kinda forgets to work properly and you get screwed, maybe I'll have to go through something similar, maybe all those years of porn (over ten years) combined with these PAWS symptons might have shut down my endogenous hormonone production and I might need a treatment, we'll see

 

I've literally tried every single supplements, spent over 1500 dollars on supplements from iHerb, it didn't work for me

 

Ive done plenty of 10 day fasts and after 4 days you completely lose appetite and switch to ketosis.

 

well, you would have to get used to it, accustom the body so to speak, if I go more than 6 or 7 hours without eating I go crazzy for sure, 4 days is insane, I'm not saying it's not possible, but I would have to gradually get to this point, it wouldn't be overnight
with that said, there were periods in the past where I did intermitteng fasting, 12-14 hours, and at the end of the fast I was hungry as fuck, it's all a matter of doing it gradually and condition your body/mind , to push it to the limit

 

You could be right. Definitely keep us updated.

Testosterone tests are unreliable anyway as testosterone fluctuates so much during the day. Unless it's incredibly low then it's very difficult to say.

I've had testosterone tests where im just above the lower end of the scale and then weeks later I've had another test where I have very high levels.

 

For me it was definitely one of the first things to go. From there on out it was a dopamine high I was chasing. I havent had proper functioning libido for nearly 10 years only glimpses of it during this recovery.

I remember a girl putting her head on my legs and having a rocker on at 16, that was where my libido was through the roof but I lost it around that age fapping multiple times a day.

 

Danm talking about hormones messed up...!
Anyway man I'm kinda worried in this reboot because libido gonna be insane. And I don't have no girls, no funds and no job right now. This reboot put my life on hold for 4 years actually.

 

how are you making ends meet then

 

I had to stay at my parents struggling with the addiction. I do part time jobs on the side. Then again struggling to do them sometimes.

 

how long has your flatline been lasting

 

Almost 10 months

 

You improved at all in those 10 months or has it just been constant shit

 

Do you know where I can see Gabe

Do you know where I find Gabe Deem full pmo' s stories? Was he a long pmo addict or severe? Any link?

 

Yeah I do improve but mostly shit in the process.

 

I think most of you got it completely wrong and that withdrawal symptoms shouldn't last that long and that those symptoms which last more than few months are caused by other problems you have.
From what I've learned so far, orgasm can be caused by mind stimulation or by body stimulation. Porn causes the mind one cause it makes mind want to ejaculate to get dopamine high, but it ignores how the body feels about masturbation in that moment. So the result is that you need more and more explicit content to keep your mind focused on achieving orgasm even if the body needs the rest (leading to the cycle feeling like shit but needing an orgasm to get high to feel slightly normal leading to overburn)
As i read most of you in monk mode meditate. But meditation is such wast term that it doesn't mean anything if you don't explain which kind of meditation you use.
For example, I think that flatline is caused by lack of mind - body connection and I've been exercising get in touch with my physical feelings in my body. One of those exercises is body scan meditation (see how I've used precise name for meditation practice). Point of body scan meditation is to become aware of exact places in your body where feeling occurs. That practice is needed to become aware what exactly you feel because you conditioned your mind to ignore feelings in your body by focusing only on mental stimulation which porn does.
Those moments you experience on nofap when real females start to arouse you is actually when you become slightly aware of how you feel and only practice i know of becoming aware of how you feel is body scan meditation. That practice should be expanded on how you feel about anything (by observing in meditation what feelings in your body arise while being focused on particular thing because same principle is in works when you observe how your penis reacts while being focused on porn. Only difference is that porn really interests you and is easy to focus on because you have developed strong connections in your brain to be focused on it.
So in conclusion, flatline is caused by lack of ability to be focused on your feelings in your body which have been numbed down by your neglecting of them by not using them and only way to start to feel them is to practice focusing on them without any mental stimulation (for starters best in stress free enviroment). And most important thing is to be patient about developing focus on RL situations because training your brain to become calm and concentrated on something takes quite some time, as it takes quite some time to be able to focus on neglected body sensations, one of which is mind- penis connectin without porn as intermediate
Also great practice is to try to mastrubate without imagining anything but trying to focus on feeling of masturbation itself. Doing kegel exercises also helps strengthen that connection
EDIT:
Also forgot to say, I've noticed that if i have an orgasm achieved being concentrated only on feeling of pleasure it makes in my body, later i find RL women more attractive and arousing. It's like my mind is craving it's mental stimulation so it finds it in first thing that is closest to images that it was used to see when it got an orgasm from porn or any other non-RL stimulation

In general, only quitting porn for hard cases isn't enough, you have to exercise your neglected connection with your body and feelings