P.A.W.S. - what are they, cure, duration

Guys maybe i found a way to speed up reboot (i am one of those desperate cases with a 26 months flatline at the moment).
I explained everything in this post i wrote today: https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?t...nic-diet-is-helping-boost-my-recovery.260971/
Good Luck everyone

 

Have you considered that your reeboot was done long ago, your dick and libido has shut down due to lack of use? And the only thing that's hanging you back is your obsession on your erections coming back.

Genuinely believe this to be the case for every very long term case.

 

and let me understand, who was the one who told you i have a problem with my penis and an obsession with erections? ahahahahah LMAO
man, my flatline (withdrawal, paws call it as u want) was all about depression, anxiety, brain fog etc for 2+......and it's no joke!

 

You're taking my previous comment the wrong way, I wasn't trying to be a cunt or insult you. After rereading it I can see how it might be interpreted that way so I apologise for misunderstanding.

Like you I fell into that "long reeboot category that doesn't exist.

I've done streaks of just over a year, a 10 month streak and several 6 month streaks.

I too believed I had brain fog , PAWS, and all these cognitive issues from porn use.

My current opinion is that yes porn addiction and PIED are real but it takes a maximum of 3 or 4 months to recover , after that you are just experiencing what I would call a placebo effect by telling yourself you are broken and have all these issues even years down the line. Many people with porn have underlying mental health issues and difficult life experiences to varying degrees.

I'm more or less back to normal simply because I forgot about it all , I learned about the mind body connection, calmed down, stopped going on forums and obviously I quit porn. Things revolved in a matter of months including the PAWS and cognitive issues.

 

I start getting away from using this forum too much simply because I start getting better after 16 months in deep paws. To deny there's no issues concerning withdrawals or paws would be a big mistake. I return to this forum when the symptoms strike hard and when they linger.

 

I just don't believe it goes on more than 3 to 6 months maximum. Many people have got themselves into a frenzy by convincing themselves and others porn PAWS are on the same level as meth or benzo PAWS, this is not accurate and there's fuck all proffessionally studied science behind it . If I had to guess it's probably on the same level as cannabis PAWS.

Porn addiction like many things is a trauma, you don't beat it by reconditioning yourself to that trauma every day by going on forums and obsessing about it and constantly expressing how shit you feel. You got to have some trust in your body and mind that this will get sorted if you can move on and stop thinking about it which I realise is easier said than done when your manhood is at stake.

 

Bro when you hit rock bottom or your brain is severely damaged, it will take time to even recognize how much damages have been done.

 

Not sure if you read my previous posts before, I've had streaks of a year , 10 months and multiple 6 month streaks. I would say that gives me some kind of credibility if you can call it that. I have a nofap reddit account going back to 2017 talking about all the shit you guys talk about and I've had an account on here for a little while now.

Like I said , once I learned about the mind body connection , calmed down , stopped coming on forums, stopped thinking about it and started living life to my best ability everything cleared up after a couple of months on a brand new streak.

I largely believe these symptoms to be psychosomatic, the symptoms are definitely real but are prolonged by the person suffering from them.

I do understand that most people will react in anger to this because I would of done if somone said all this to me but it may help somone further down the line.

The key is completely letting go, not giving a shit about it and not thinking about it...aswell as quitting porn obviously.

 

You might be right. Brains are weird and sometimes just suddenly heal, even if you suspect to suffer longer because of past experiences. I abused benzos at extremely high doses and it took me 6 months to get better, I expected a really long withdrawal that lasted years, but it did not happen.

2 years later I relapsed again to benzos and abused them again
(Im a stupid fucking pill addict).I quit again and expected the worst withdrawal because I had kindled. But guess what? Nothing happened. I worried for nothing and could just quit cold turkey without a withdrawal that I used to have in the past. Some people cant even go to surgery (midazolam or propofol are used for anesthesia, both GABAergic) after benzo withdrawal after they were healed, because it sets them back into withdrawal. Also drinking alcohol or taking valerian root (both GABAergic) have set people back in withdrawal at some moments at other times nothing happened to them. You can read this on benzobuddies. So the brain can act pretty inconsistent. One time I abused benzos I got heavy withdrawals the second time nothing happened.

 

I personally have to disagree with that...it's obvious that the mind body connection, letting go etc everything is real! but there is something more to it than just conditioning yourself to feel bad...when you feel bad you do really feel bad and it's for a reason! (this is what at least i believe and i think it happens with porn addiction). I don't know,to me it seems more like your symptoms disappeared and you claim your "letting go" mentality for their healing while maybe they just did their course ...could it be?
I'm not trying to disregard what you said, you may be partially right but not completely because if you were still suffering with as severe symptoms as i was having months ago you could have gone with whatever philosphy you wanted but if you felt bad you felt bad, no way around!

 

I don't believe it's a case of the brain randomly healing better this time, I believe it's all related to your emotional state, your life experiences , your fixation on the symptoms etc

If you quit somthing you really have to just move on from it and trust your body will know what to do.

 

I think it's possble for symptoms to be less severe if you don't ruminate and stress over them. Maybe because of the then decreased stress repsonse the body will be abe to experience less anxiety and other symptoms. I do however dont believe it's all in the mind of the sufferer and say that if you don't ruminiate about it it all gets better from there. Like saying just man the fuck and dont be a pussy. PAWS is a real physical phenomenom. Physical symptoms like tremors, sleep paralysis, stomach bloating, nausea etc. dont just leave if you change your mindset about it. The body is out of balance but maybe positive thinking can speed up the process. People having neurological diseases like Parkinson don't just start feeling less tremors and other physical symptoms because they dont think about their condition that much. Maybe if they have a positive outlook on their disease, they suffer much less mental symptoms. Clinical depression can develop on top of the withdrawal if you keep feeling negative and keep stressing about the symptoms.

 

I've never claimed it's all in the mind and never would, I've had PAWS from many different drugs when I was younger and also PAWS from porn.

And yeah I'm absolutely saying that ruminating and not moving on, thinking the same thoughts, behaving the same way can keep you from getting better and prolonging symptoms, it's literally keeping your brain and body in a state or fight, flight or freeze, you are stuck and not evolving. Moving on and calming down sounds too easy to most people so they don't believe it but it's actually not easy ,it's incredibly difficult to let go, especially some of these long term 2+ years guys, believing what I'm saying would mean they would have to accept that nothings really been happening in all the time they've been on a mega long reebot and I think most people aren't ready to hear it or accept it.

I know for a fact 99% of people will not accept what I'm saying because at one point I would of not accepted it either and probably told the person saying it to me to fuck off.

 

What you're saying couldn't be more relevant to me at the moment.

Went two years without porn and had a hard time. Throughout most of it. However I relapsed just over two years in October and have had a spiral of relapses since and have not had any of the debilitating symptoms return.

Prior to this I was also drinking a lot of caffeine whether it be a cappuccino, coffee, diet coke or sugar free red bull. Not drinking it like water but a lot throughout the week. And have been a binge drinker on rare occasions.

Had a 3 month reset from caffeine and felt really good. Mind fog cleared up and felt well. I now believe most of my symptoms was just simply being chronically over stressed over the years for all different reasons. And porn was a massive crutch that numbed me temporarily but with drinking excessive caffeine, smoking, unhealthy eating habits and many more contributed to my downfall over time.

I would love to hear @Ezpz thoughts on something like this as we spoke about this together in the PM's.

 

Yeah I'm glad it's resonated with you , obviously binge fapping is bad and it will create issues, no doubt about it, people need to quit BUT stress and depression are absolutely fuckers to overcome and it's very hard for some people to tell the different between that and what they perceive to be PAWS. The body cannot go back to homeostasis when in a stressed state whether that stress is conscious or unconscious .

Do yourself a favour and buy the book I mentioned, it was a mega head fuck for me at the body's capacity to heal and the ammount of illness and chronic pain being related to different kinds of stressors.

 

I also have not experienced any of the severe withdrawal symptoms after my last relapses. For me it was definitely PMO that made me feel like shit. Everytime after relapse I would get flatline (anhedonia) again tho. During my first reboot I drank alcohol, used phenibut and baclofen, ate like shit, took liters of coffee and red bulls, had a stressfull job, mindless internet browsing etc. Yet I was fully healed after 150 days hard mode. So caffeine and other bad habits were not my problem. Then I relapsed to porn and the numbness and other symptoms returned.

I do agree that we need to live a healthy lifestyle to get to feel better. This includes healthy foods, good sleep, exercise, relaxation, no drugs etc.

@Big Lebowski Did anhedonia and insomnia return after those relapses or are you feeling more healed after those relapses?

 

This sounds pretty accurate. Whenever I've stopped coming on the forums for a week or so, I've already felt a lot better than I'd have with the same time coming on the forums sometimes several times per day. But this also has a downside to it. Every time I've had time off the forums and not thinking about nofap and felt healed to some degree, I've relapsed since "just one more time" wouldn't hurt, but it does hurt. So it's a double-edged sword. With these forums I get some very good information on the whole PAWS subject, but my mind tends to forget that after some time. This is probably due to the low IQ syndrome and heavy brainfog causing not able to think rationally at critical moments. Not sure if visiting the forums once per week or something would be more ideal, but one thing is certain: negative thinking and wallowing in despair will prolong the symptoms and they might not even get healed.

 

I still agree that porn is still damaging, definitely. The relapses have made me number throughout the day but if I slept well the night of a relapse it was like nothing ever happened. I think PMOing is like watching a visual stress hormone being released and over time can fuck with anxiety levels and that all it has been with me.

It's so hard to tell it's like chicken and the egg and were all experiments in this because it's all new.

I dont have the twitching anymore or anything from the severe symptoms. But I also still have anxiety to a considerable degree and am unemployed for the meantime so it can be a number of reasons.

I think my insomnia was related to caffeine/stress in general my sleep is mostly better now days. I only have one coffee off a morning and my relapses having been every other day, not frequent and only one binge since october. But I still feel miles better than I did.

Now I would of felt like shit two years back when I was in the midst of it all. But somehow it doesn't seem to have made any noticeable difference unless my brain healed a significant amount I dont know.

It seems to me porn is added stressor to a list of other stressors that wears you down. At least that is how its felt with me anyway. Like them headaches I had all the time throughout my two years vanished when I gave up caffeine for example so its safe to say i was addicted to that as well. Like were putting our bodies in constant fight or flight syndrome with it all.

 

Have you considered that maybe all this time of abstinence that your brain gets a good percentage of healing? My sister told me stress overtime could crash on the body and the the reason I'm overly depressed. But I refused to believe that's the only reason.My guest, there's stress from life but there are severe PAWS symptoms that could affect your daily function.