"Penis" as the sensory representation for "woman" , gender confusion, hocd and ED

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  1. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    I've had other posts on this subject and i do think i am getting closer to solving the riddle on hocd, gender confusion, trans attraction and so many other problematic sexual behaviors.

    I consider "straight" porn and jerking off to be the main culprits, with jerking off sealing the deal on problematic behaviors and addictions. That is, aside from "straight" porn not being a heterosexual act (but rather bisexual), aside from the fact that watching others have sex is abnormal and unhealthy, what really makes this pathological is the actual rubbing of the penis by oneself.

    In an act of natural sex, a man will receive various sensory inputs, the primary ones being sight, hearing and touch. There's also smell and taste that play a role and the PMO experience removes but i do not think those are as important as the sight, hearing and touch. In a normal, natural sex act, the sensory input will be 99% that of a woman (you touch her with her hands, you touch her with your penis etc).

    The main problem however when it comes to jerking off is touch. Touch is a major sensory pathway and the most archaic one. The initial organisms relied on touch as the primary sensory input and we as humans also use it intensely. It is what provides a sense of "proof" of the existence of an object (that's why kids touch anything that is in their close proximity and that's why anyone has a tendency to touch something to learn more about it).

    Sexual stimulation happens with a thought or a visual input, which are both imagery. The thoughts are a representation of a former visual input and new visual inputs are processed as representations anyway so at the end of the day you're simply dealing with visual representations. In a typical porn/erotic scenario you will also get audio input but that is not always the case. What happens next is crucial. You will usually get an erection. For your body and mind to confirm the visual and audio inputs it will need confirmation from the sensory inputs. A well adjusted individual will get aroused but in the absence of a sensory input (woman/vagina) will lose that erection.

    But with jerking off, something extremely perverse happens. You start touching yourself to confirm the previous stimuli but the inputs you are receiving are upside down.

    Your mind expects a woman/vagina and it receives the sensory inputs of a penis/man. And this juxtaposition does not only happen once, it happens hundreds or thousands of times. As you probably have heard, neurons that fire together wire together (which happens decisively because you also get enormous amounts of pleasure), so you get the very undesirable and unhealthy woman=penis=vagina=man.

    Depending on the individual's specific pmo history (did he start with women only or with "straight" porn? what's the ratio of solo women/straight porn he used? how much does he use each? Did he use porn before or after first real sex experience? what is the ratio of real sex/pmo he has? and many more factors) the former association will lead to various sexual problems or dysfunctions. As a side note, ejaculating on yourself/in your hand when jerking off is very damaging.

    You have to look at HOCD, transgender/shemale addiction, thoughts of being of the opposite gender as rooted in the same fundamental misrepresentation that comes from PMO (mainly M, jerking off): woman=penis=vagina=man.

    This also explains why so many (young) men have ED issues - when it comes to real sex, their mind is wired to feel a penis and not getting to feel it disorientates them. The mind is trained to get erect by feeling and rubbing a penis, which in a normal sex act does not happen. They in turn receive another sensory input (vagina) they are not used to and do not associate with "sex".
     
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  2. blacksky98

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    What’s ur best advice to reword the brain then
     
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  3. ultrafabber

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    • you have to never jerk off your penis in a sexual way (to get or stay aroused)
    • you have to watch normal porn and learn not to be aroused. see my topic here https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?t...need-to-watch-porn-in-a-different-way.235748/
    • you have to buy a realistic erect penis and jerk it off. (you can also use a cucumber or something resembling a penis but the silicone one is best). This is an important step to rewire your brain. Your brain associates sexual pleasure with stroking an erect penis. By stroking an erect silicone penis instead, you overwrite your former scheme of "rubbing penis = pleasure". You replace it with "rubbing penis = nothing happens". You can make the experience more unpleasant by getting a negative reinforcement (touching something hot, getting a zap, tasting something bitter/hot etc. The most important thing is to overwrite what jerking a penis leads to. And to notice how weird and wrong it is.
    • you have to buy a realistic silicone sleeve and hump it while watching solo women. Do not jerk the sleeve like you would masturbate, this will reinforce the connection of jerking off = pleasure. You need to hump it and keep your hands empty.
    • once you got a hold of this and see progress, you have to rub your erect penis while thinking "this is a penis". If you start getting aroused, you have to stop and use the silicone sleeve instead. This technique is called grounding and is used on psychotic patients. What you're doing is you reconnect to reality instead of focusing on an illusion. Ultimately your aim is to have it like tickling - something that does not work if you do it yourself.
    You have to replace whatever you used to do while watching porn and jerking off with something else. That's why i am saying that simple abstinence rarely if ever truly works.

    Having a willing and patient woman definitely helps and if you have one you can replace the silicone sleeve with real sex with her.

    Edit: there seems to be a misunderstanding, these are not things you can or should do indefinitely, just for a couple of months to rewire your brain. This is not an excuse to watch sexy women indefinitely.
     
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  4. IGY

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    This is an outrageous directive - to hump a fleshlight while watching porn! :eek: You should be ashamed of yourself man! :mad:
     
  5. How about not watching any porn?
    1. Because normal porn does not exist!!
    2. Fleshlights?? Really??
     
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    CTRL + DEL Fapstronaut

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    This thread is degeneracy supreme.
    If he OP had things his way, the men of nofap would be
    Porn-watching
    Vegetable-jerking
    Sleeve-humping


     
  7. Absolutly !!
    Ultrafabber is a shitposter it seems..
     
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  8. ultrafabber

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    You completely missed the point. Take a deep breath and read again.

    Same advice goes to you. If you're only here to spam, find another thread, don't spam mine.

    The goal is to overwrite previous habits and mental connections. Abstinence is not going to rewrite anything. In one's mind jerking a penis will always be pleasurable and watching porn will always be pleasurable in the case of abstinence. That is why it is required to watch "regular" porn and not be aroused. A normal arousal experience is seeing a woman alone and available to you, not a woman having sex with another man. That is the complete opposite of an available woman and it should turn you off, not on. You can read more about cue-exposure therapy here https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?t...need-to-watch-porn-in-a-different-way.235748/

    Yes fleshlights. The goal is to rewire sexual gratification from "feeling penis" to "feeling vagina".
     
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    CTRL + DEL Fapstronaut

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    Forum: noFap
    Your advice: fap, watch porn, don't eat your vegetables kids

    And I'm the spam. Right.
     
  10. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    Yes, you are the spam. Talk to me when you are capable of having a normal conversation and you stop taking things out of context. Else, stop spamming.
     
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    Criticism is not spam.
     
  12. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    What you're doing is not criticism. It's low quality shitposting. Criticism implies actually presenting counter arguments and not taking things out of context to sensationalize and misrepresent the argument you do not agree with.
     
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  13. IGY

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    No I didn't and I don't have any respiratory issues.

    You have completely missed the point of this website!


    This is a porn recovery site and you are telling people to watch it.

    Read the paragraph in the bottom left corner of this page - "About Us" - and stop subverting the purpose of this website.
     
  14. ahighertruth

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    ah so instead of injecting heroin consume it in tablet form.

    whats the point of this thread again?
     
  15. Get people hooked on porn again?
     
  16. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    You have completely missed the point of this topic.

    This is a topic that will help people cure their PMO addiction. Just running from addiction doesn't work, as shown by numerous members that keep relapsing even after long streaks. The goal is to find pmo useless and abnormal and disgusting, as it already is, not taking "breaks" from it as if it's a good thing you are not using for a certain amount of time.

    As long as you get aroused by porn and jerking off you HAVE a problem and no amount of abstinence will cure that. You have to change the things you are attracted to and used to.

    I am telling people to face their fear and go watch something that SHOULD NOT arouse them. Watching porn with men it it should not be arousing to any man that considers himself straight. That is the fundamental problem. The same way stroking a penis should not be arousing to any man that considers himself straight.

    You have yet to make any on point argument on this, just the standard "ugh, porn bad". Yes i know porn is bad, so is masturbation. I am not advising people to do the things on that list indefinitely, just for a few months to rewire what they are aroused by.

    I don't see you so fervently attacking Alexander for telling people in a sticky that masturbation is normal and healthy (even if it's not), but you attack me when i say that jerking off is NOT healthy and one should use a silicone sleeve for a LIMITED amount of time to rewire their brain forever and never feel the need to jerk off again. So once again, what am i subverting?


    Why do you comment if you don't even know that cue desensitization is? Cue desensitization is about exposure without use, not replacement with something else.

    The part on using a silicone sleeve that one humps and watches SOLO women is about rewiring the brain to actual sex and feeling a woman/vagina, not a penis.

    Again, completely useless spam by you.
     
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  17. I wont take advice concerning addiction to porn from you when you say we must buy a plastic cock and a fake vagina and then use it, so if that means i am a *useless spammer* then so be it.
    Atleast i am not a degenerate like you.
     
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  18. IGY

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    Well said @Merlio. I feel the same.
     
  19. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    This topic is not for you, it's for people willing to actually read what i said instead of spamming useless replies.

    Stroking an erect penis in a non sexual way must be done to erase the connection that "rubbing penis = pleasure", which is what jerking off results in.

    You're stroking a penis and you're loving it, i am not loving it, i learned to find it useless, wrong and boring. Out of the two of us, who do you find to be more degenerate? The "straight" man that loves to stroke penis (you) or the man that doesn't get any pleasure from it (me)?

    @IGY shame you have nothing to actually support your opinion, just blindly supporting more spam
     
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  20. Hurr durrr youre a spammer huur durrr
     

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