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"Penis" as the sensory representation for "woman" , gender confusion, hocd and ED

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by ultrafabber, Jan 12, 2020.

  1. Sovereign Soul

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    @ultrafabber this is a very active and normative way of rewiring the brain to say the least. Since you've been almost unanimously criticized I won't do that. I just want to know if you've been doing this and if so, has it worked in any way?
     
  2. ultrafabber

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    That's Operant Conditioning and there's a lot of research on that. It's about rewiring behavior, but behavior in this case stems from sensory input.

    Touching objects for psychotic patients is something we learned in a specialized course and i don't know the source of the claim, just that it makes sense given how psychosis and hallucinations work. That is, if the patient cooperates. Since pmo is essentially shutting down the prefrontal cortex and other sensory pathways so that one hallucinates actual sex, it is akin to a psychotic episode, even though obviously not to such an extent and also voluntary.

    I did not suggest rubbing some tool AND watching porn, at least not initially. Those should be kept separate for a while. And i am still emphasizing that a silicone penis is much more valuable than a simple replacement. The replacement is ok because it works and rewires movement (jerking motion) but is not that effective at sensory input other than shape. A silicone penis close to one's size (not those 12" aberrations) is what is needed. I know the idea is not new, which is why it was even more hilarious to see people oppose it.

    This is a reply that will cover @Sovereign Soul 's question too. I am 32 yo. Started watching erotic movies at 11 or so, started jerking off at about 12 and started watching hardcore porn at 13. That's about 20 years of PMO. First sexual experience was only at 20yo, so i wired myself to PMO exclusively for 8 years. My formative "sex" experiences have been PMO. I discovered nofap on reddit at 24-25 years old, 7 years ago. I had been trying to do the nofap "style" (abstinence only) up to last year's summer. 6 years. I had many streaks, weeks, months, 90 days, even a 6 month streak. I always went back at it with the same fervor when relapsing so something was not working. I still liked porn and jerking off.

    You will see in my post history i started questioning the act of watching "straight" porn in the spring/summer of 2019. https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?t...need-to-watch-porn-in-a-different-way.235748/ and a bit before that. So i've been trying that for a while and it wasn't easy but it seemed to be working, albeit slowly.

    I then came up with the idea of the silicone sleeve and silicone penis in december 2019 and i got the package on December the 7th or so. Using the silicone sleeve felt very weird at first and i was using it like jerking off, so i figured that can't be right, so i started humping it with no casing by the half of December. Also been using the penis to jerk it off every once in a while. So that would be about 40 days now.

    As for watching "straight" porn, i have been watching it less and less simply because i can't stomach it. I am still forcing myself to watch so that my brain fully understands what is going on. I am however getting no pleasure out of it, i feel quite disturbed. This week for example i watched it for less than 5 minutes and i will have to force myself to watch more to develop my aversion to it.

    Your question does have merit, i continue doing the things because i have been jerking off to porn for 20 years, it is highly unrealistic to believe that i can reverse all that in a month or so.

    I have had more progress in the last 40 days than i have had in years of doing abstinence only and i am convinced that the silicone sleeve and the silicone penis played a huge role.

    My brain clicked that jerking off is weird about 3 weeks of rubbing the silicone penis (and i've been doing it sparingly, sometimes with 3-4 days off sometimes, and about 10 minutes per day max). My brain also clicked that penetrating something (the silicone sleeve) is what sex is about about 3 weeks in. I also started feeling really weird about "straight" porn around the same time and last week i intentionally tried to jerk off and it felt off, much like sex used to feel off for me before. About 4 weeks in i started craving penetrating something (woman/sleeve) instead of craving to jerk off. I also started enjoying and wanting solo women only, whereas before solo women didn't do much for me, i just needed hardcore porn.

    In this same period, as i mentioned before, i stopped binging. I am saying "stopped" not in "i used my willpower to stop binging" but in "i had no desire to binge anymore". My sex fantasies also stopped (and i used to be an expert at that, sometimes spending hours in sex fantasies). Like i said before, now i use the sleeve for 15 minutes or so, and i am done for that day or for more days. I can also postpone it if i feel like it. My sex drive changed from an unstoppable and pressing matter to something much more pleasant and manageable. I no longer get the "shakes" and that feeling that i NEED a release, which is typical for any addictive behavior.

    Watching "straight" porn would not be right, watching solo women would. But even if that happens, and they really get hooked on it, at the very least they will get hooked on something much closer to sex than what jerking off (rubbing a penis) and watching "straight porn" (cuckoldry) is. I understand that the concept is harder to grasp for people still enjoying PMO, but the act of PMO (jerking a penis and watching another have sex with the woman you want) is extremely, extremely, extremely different to what sex is about and even opposite as you play the role of the woman (that handles the penis) and consequently, in strictly sensory input, you learn that woman = penis. Jerking off is NOT a heterosexual act, it is a homosexual one, sensory wise.

    I did mention that one has to watch porn while not being aroused. When arousal happens, the porn needs to be closed. If one is aroused and starts "straight porn" it will be counter-productive. Which is where replacing "straight" porn with solo women and eventually the silicone sleeve comes into action.

    I don't understand this and that part is at the very least misdirected. I have been respectful to everyone else. You should send that reply to the other people spamming, insulting me and mocking this post, not to me.
     
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  3. ClenchedFist

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    I've read a lot of your posts and I think you're on to something when you insist there's a direct connection between watching hardcore porn and escalating to femdom, cuckolding, etc, but otherwise it seems you've taken an extreme path in your line of thought that's bordering on pseudoscience.

    If what you claim were true, everyone would eventually escalate to whatever one deems extreme, but that's not the case. Everyone faps, few become addicts, even fewer progress to extreme forms of porn. Still even fewer hetero men get hooked on gay porn.
    Jerking off is neither a homosexual nor a heterosexual act. It's a solo act, with all the problems associated with it being a solo act.

    Only a small minority of men will progress to the forms of porn you (and many of us here) dread because of their character and their predilections. Flirt with and boff a few women, acts which by default require the man to be dominant, and see how it all goes away in an instant. It's far more effective than employing unusual ideas that involve watching porn.

    The porn addict should turn to himself to look for answers to his porn addiction, and to every addiction for that matter. If your mentality is not in the right place, you can only soldier through it for so long and you'll eventually relapse. That's the reason why lots of people quit smoking for months or years, much longer than is needed for the physical addiction to nicotine to dissipate, only to take it up again.
     
  4. That is not correct a lot a people are addicted without even knowing it because society says it's ok.Take a look at this forum a lot of people here don't even understand this addiction most of them watched a video or two on you tube and that's it
     
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  5. You still around... I had forgotten about you totally. :rolleyes::D
     
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  6. Derivation of sick pleasure from baiting folks to waste their time etc etc.
     
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  7. IGY

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    No shit, Sherlock! :rolleyes:

    LMFAO! :p :p :p
     
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  8. ultrafabber

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    The connection of pmo with cuckolding and femdom is obvious, it is not even a matter of debate. The connection of jerking off, porn to bisexuality and hocd is also quite obvious if one is willing to look at those objectively.

    As @muhagg said many people don't even know they are addicted. Go ro any forum and see how men joke about jerking off daily, watching porn almost daily, how it helps them sleep etc, without realizing they are addicted.

    The same goes for men with Erectile dysfunction that can't get it up with a woman but do get it up with porn (bisexual act) and jerking off (homosexual act). They are aroused by penis but not by vagina, which is an obvious wiring to homosexuality because of porn.

    Some people just escalate slower than others and their real sex experiences help them resist escalation. A man that had sex with a woman before finding pmo will very slowly, if ever, escalate too much. A man that did discover pmo first but also had a stready gf will escalate faster than the previous example but not too much either. The porn used is also very important, a man that started with solo women will escalate slower than one that started with hardcore porn. There are many factors that interact with eachother that will determine how fast and how much one will escalate.

    There is no such thing as a solo act, the reproductive organs exist to interact with the opposite sex, or with something else. The act itself mimicks that interaction. Which is why it's hetero, homo or bisexual or ot can be something else like other paraphilias (if one thinks of an animal for example).

    I am the one giving actual answers whereas others go through the motions of abstinence and relapse. I already provided examples of how my way produced effects that abstinence does not.
     
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  9. IGY

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    It's not true, it's not obvious at all. Myself and numerous others do not believe that PMO is about cuckolding and femdom. The resistance by so many here to your theories and ideas is evidence of this. It is a matter of debate. Furthermore, you assert that masturbation is a homosexual act. I do not believe so and you are in a miniscule minority in perpetuating this.
     
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  10. Rusername

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    Excuse me but why is there any discussion here? It is clear that OP made some weird theories and he seems to be mentalny unstable (not to judge that negatively, im visiting psychologist myslef).
     
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  11. Yeah by his logic if i had a wank to lesbian porn that makes me gay
     
  12. IGY

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    LMFAO! :p
     

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