Physicians of the past were legitimate. Let's discuss PMO-related symptoms and Neurasthenia.

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by kopykat, May 27, 2022.

  1. kopykat

    kopykat Fapstronaut

    From the time of Hippocrates to just before Freud's Sexual Revolution, physicians had much different opinions on PMO than those of clueless shills in medicine today.

    NEURASTHENIA is, according to Merriam-Webster, "a condition that is characterized especially by physical and mental exhaustion, usually with accompanying symptoms (such as headache and irritability), is of unknown cause but is often associated with depression or emotional stress, and is sometimes considered similar to or identical with chronic fatigue syndrome."

    A few websites list common symptoms of Neurasthenia as:
    • sleep disturbance (poor and restless sleep, difficult awakening, etc.)
    • general feeling of fatigue
    • headaches and migraines
    • memory impairment, decreased concentration
    • emotionality and irritability
    • decreased sexual desire, possibly impotence
    • irritable bowel syndrome (increased gas, alternation of diarrhea and constipation, impaired appetite)
    • dizziness and/or faintness and/or lightheadedness and/or vertigo
    • ringing in the ears (tinnitus)
    • irregular heart rate (palpitations, tachycardia)
    • cold and/or sweaty hands and feet
    • back pain
    Generally, it would be easy to argue that this condition, referred to by various names over time, is the equivalent of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Adrenal Fatigue or Addison's Disease today. The unfortunate reality is that very few doctors or people in medicine would acknowledge that any of these can be caused by PMO despite the fact that many of us here know otherwise. Countless physicians, researchers and scientists of times past have mentioned this condition in their papers and books and have claimed that it is caused by (excessive) masturbation or sex. Read a book called "Brain Gain" for more on this.

    People make fun of old books and refer to their authors as quacks who pushed quackery.
    Maybe it's time we start giving them the respect they deserve and taking them and their work seriously.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor and nothing here is medical advice.
    Last edited: May 27, 2022
  2. desmond318

    desmond318 Fapstronaut

    Thank you for sharing this! I can relate to what you have said very much. When I was 29 around 2 years ago, I experienced severe symptoms of neurasthenia, and I went to the emergency hospital 3 times in a row. But all of the doctors told me I didn't have a problem, probably because modern medical devices couldn't detect this. Modern doctors often make their conclusions based on the "parameters" measured by their machines. Some may even think the patients with neurasthenia are just being hypochondriac.

    I am a PhD graduate on science, and now, after graduation, I have stopped pursuing all of those highly advanced mathematics and scientific theories (of course I still find the simple ones useful in my daily life). Instead, I am more interested in appreciating the old wisdoms.
  3. kopykat

    kopykat Fapstronaut

    Having gone to a number of doctors myself, I have to agree. I remember going into Emergency Rooms and Immediate Care clinics and being offered SSRIs (anti-depressants) before anyone could even ask me the most basic questions about my diet and sleep and whatnot. It's beyond ridiculous and insulting. It's not far fetched to claim that most doctors and nurses these days are only in it for the money; many have no clue how the body and mind work as holistic systems. As relates to PMO, I think there are people on this and similar forums who are better informed and educated than MDs in their respective areas.

    Considering your studies, I think you should be proud of yourself for the direction you've decided to take. I think we need more people like you.

    By the way, would you mind listing some of the more severe symptoms you dealt with two years ago? What, specifically, do you think brought them on? For me, I'm 95% certain that a lot of my worst symptoms are a result of edging (long sessions) and sleep deprivation throughout the years.
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  4. desmond318

    desmond318 Fapstronaut

    I will give the details here, as well as something I want to add to this topic.

    I remember in those years, I adopted very poor living habits. I had just finished my PhD degree and was unemployed at that time. Then I kept indulging in PMO and video games all day long. I sat in front of the computer doing all these without taking breaks, lacking exercises, and I went to bed late. I remember I didn't go outdoors even once, I just stayed at my home for around 1 year. It was the time when I've started to try quitting PMO, but mostly failed (relapsing every 5~10 days).

    Then, there was once I've decided to make a change. I wanted to be determined to quit PMO and to get a job. For the first two weeks of NoFap, I didn't masturbate, but I edged a lot. Then at that time I've got a job interview, that made me go out to somewhere pretty far away from my home. The day after I finished my interview, symptoms started to come. It started with 2 weeks of relatively minor symptoms, including windpipe allergy, dry coughing, and some difficulty to breathe. Then, I doubted if I had got COVID-19 (the old variety, no Omicron at that time), and I was panic for a few days. Then, I started to develop severe symptoms, which lasted for a week, including the following:
    • Sudden dyspnea (difficulty to breathe), which brought me to the emergency hospital.
    • Sleep disorder (couldn't fall asleep at all, feels like something is trying to wake me up every time I fall asleep).
    • Heart beating irregularly (happened only once, and lasted for a few seconds).
    • Headache, fatigue and severe dizziness throughout the day, like having a "living dream", couldn't do anything but sleeping and walking around the apartment.
    There's a saying in Chinese medicine, that (translated to English) "cold weather alone cannot harm a healthy person". I believe my severe symptoms were mainly caused by my poor living habits and PMO in the first place. Then suddenly, with my weak body, I edged for 10+ days and went outdoors for an exhausting long trip, as well as me feeling panic about getting COVID-19. All these factors are like the "cold weather" which triggered the symptoms. I've heard that this saying also holds true for mental diseases, one has to be physically weak first, before he becomes prone to any mental illness. This makes so much sense to me, that many NoFappers here develop mental illnesses after years of PMO. It will be inappropriate for the doctors to conclude that mental illnesses are just caused by overthinking, on the contrary, they have a physical basis.
    Last edited: May 28, 2022
  5. kopykat

    kopykat Fapstronaut

    This is a great post.

    First, I want to address the poor living habits. I'm right there with you. The difference is probably that you've moved on and I have yet to do so. With the exception of 5-8 hours of work each day, I'm at home constantly. I have a basketball hoop outside that I once used regularly, even if only to shoot around by myself. I haven't done that in a year or two at this point. Even when I was doing it, the kind of fatigued I'd started to develop had me getting overly tired doing even that little bit of exercise. In a way, this is all such a Catch 22. I think it's the fatigue causing my inactive, sterile lifestyle but it's also the reverse at the same time.

    I'm with you, though. It's always a combination of things that does us in. It shows how resilient and strong and well equipped the natural human body really is. You have to be doing a lot wrong for things to go haywire. For me: I'm generally inactive, I'm on the computer A LOT, I read about the state of the world A LOT, I worry A LOT, I get overwhelmed, I PMO. I have no hobbies and very little, aside from my immediate family, to bring me joy and fulfillment. It's not healthy at all.

    Regarding that Chinese saying and what you stated about COVID and your concerns over it:
    You are exactly the kind of person who needs to look into what's referred to as Antoine Béchamp's terrain theory of disease (as opposed to the mainstream "germ theory" of the liar and quack Pasteur). Very few people nowadays are open minded and patient enough to research such a concept but I think you would get it. You could start by reading a book called Good Bye Germ Theory and then one called Virus Mania. Miraculously, these are still not banned on Amazon. There is so much content, books and otherwise, by Dr. Tom Cowan, MD, Dr. Andrew Kauffman, MD and Dr. Samantha Bailey, MD. I believe all of them have channels on TheyTube and Odysee.

    How is your health now? Have you abandoned PMO completely?
    Last edited: May 27, 2022
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  6. desmond318

    desmond318 Fapstronaut

    In fact I understand how the professionals feel. They have been devoting their lives into finding out how the universe works, only to find out they have made a fundamental mistake all along, that they studied matter separately. (Instead, it is interconnected with energy and the mind and cannot be separated.) It is really hard for them to accept this truth and to give up their sense of superiority and start all over again.

    And thank you for your book recommendations. I am not sure if I have time for them, but I am very interested. Now I am focusing on Chinese medicine and Buddhism, I think they would keep me busy, maybe I will consider reading those books later.

    After that week of severe symptoms, I relapsed on around Day 30. After that, my day streaks were mostly 5~10 days. But I lived a more active life since then. I would go out and take a walk at least once every few days, and I would do some exercise. I would still masturbate and got some symptoms of neurasthenia sometimes. I wasn't determined to quit PMO until very recently, when I joined this NoFap forum 2 months ago, started writing a journal. Today is my 55th day on NoFap. I have broken my old record and it's still going. I hope this time I can quit PMO forever.

    About my current health condition. I cannot say it is perfect, but it gets much better now. I feel I have more energy and strength throughout the day, I don't get tired as easily as before, and the symptoms I am experiencing now are mostly mild ones. I think going on NoFap doesn't only replenish my energy and cure some of my symptoms, but I've found myself feeling more motivated in life. Probably my nerves fire more properly with higher energy level now, so I get less depressed. With this motivation, I cultivated a number of healthy habits, e.g. sleeping before 23:00 every day, setting a timer to remind myself not to sit for too long, eating healthily...etc, and these habits definitely helped my body to recover when combined with NoFap.

    However, while I am happy with my progress of NoFap, I cannot say I am completely free from my addictions. First, I am still missing and playing video games, which is one of the major triggers to me. Also, I peek p-subs and porn sometimes (especially when I indulge in games). And strictly speaking, I am still unemployed, where I only teach as a private tutor for a few hours per week. Sometimes I feel I am trapped in my current life situation.
    Last edited: May 28, 2022
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  7. kopykat

    kopykat Fapstronaut

    I hope you check those books out sooner than later... especially if you're still worried about Covid. It serves no one to continue to buy what the mainstream media and ruling class are selling. Fear effectively shuts down peoples' brains. Remember the toilet paper craze of 2020? That made a whole lot of sense, didn't it? That's what happens when no one can think logically and rationally.

    I'm glad you were able to go 30 days straight away after the week of shitty symptoms you had to experience. That's great discipline and resolve. I think you need to try to apply some of that to your gaming habits as well. You probably know as much. This is especially true if it really is as much of a trigger as you seem to think. My biggest problems, in no special order, when it comes to PMO: boredom, loneliness and triggers like non-pornographic websites with suggestive content.

    In my case, I don't want to go the way of "monk mode" or become completely celibate or anything like that. What I'm striving towards is a complete abandonment of porn and hopefully a healthy relationship down the line once I can get my health back on track. I hope you have some short and long term goals for yourself also.
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  8. brahmacarya

    brahmacarya Fapstronaut

    The terrain theory is correct based on my personal experience. You may want to read how I've arrived to this conclusion here -

    Long-term addiction to PMO:

    1. Downregulates neurotransmitters (e.g., dopamine and serotonin) - 1, 2, 3, 4
    2. Disrupts hormonal balance (e.g., testosterone, prolactin and adrenaline) - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
    3. Decreases the volume of grey matter in the brain (prefrontal cortex) - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
    4. Reduces the density of androgen receptors - 1
    5. Deteriorates mental health - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
    6. Exhausts the central nervous system - 1, 2, 3, 4
    7. Decreases gastric secretions and induces GI ulceration - 1, 2, 3
    8. Disrupts gastrointestinal motility - 1, 2, 3
    9. Promotes insulin resistance - 1, 2, 3, 4
    10. Leads to sexual dysfunction and decline in sperm counts - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

    SPECT scan of a porn addict's brain:



    Disposable soma theory and expensive germline hypothesis:

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